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KDE: A Nice Tiling Environment and a Surprisingly Awesome DE

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Re: KDE: A Nice Tiling Environment and a Surprisingly Awesome DE

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Wow, I installed the tiling extension and it's much more pleasant than vanilla kwin.

I first used KDE over 20 years ago, version 2.x. KDE 4 was awful, and I moved to Gnome. Since version 5 I'm back on KDE and most notably, the battery life of my laptop is twice as much! And it's configurable. And beautiful.

Re: KDE: A Nice Tiling Environment and a Surprisingly Awesome DE

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post #2

Wow, I installed the tiling extension and it's much more pleasant than vanilla kwin. I first used KDE over 20 years ago, version 2.x. KDE 4 was awful, and I moved to Gnome. Since version 5 I'm back on KDE and most notably, the battery life of my laptop is twice as much! And it's configurable. And beautiful.

I've been using KDE since 2.7 and I agree that, at least initially, 4 was awful, but primarily it was awful for the exact reasons Gnome was and is awful - they took away all the powerful functionality. They Apple-ified it.

After a few point revisions it was almost back to it's former glory. 5/plasma is basically back to the power of 3.0, but I still miss Konqueror.

Re: KDE: A Nice Tiling Environment and a Surprisingly Awesome DE

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post #2

Wow, I installed the tiling extension and it's much more pleasant than vanilla kwin. I first used KDE over 20 years ago, version 2.x. KDE 4 was awful, and I moved to Gnome. Since version 5 I'm back on KDE and most notably, the battery life of my laptop is twice as much! And it's configurable. And beautiful.

I've been using KDE since 2.7 and I agree that, at least initially, 4 was awful, but primarily it was awful for the exact reasons Gnome was and is awful - they took away all the powerful functionality. They Apple-ified it. After a few point revisions it was almost back to it's former glory. 5/plasma is basically back to the power of 3.0, but I still miss Konqueror.

Well, Konqueror is still there. Dolphin just got so capable that people don't want to switch anymore, and it was left behind as a browser.

Re: KDE: A Nice Tiling Environment and a Surprisingly Awesome DE

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I must be one of the very few "hackerish" minded people that does not really get the appeal of tiling window managers. Even in the early days of Linux I meticulously arranged my overlapping windows in my X11R5 window manager.

For example, there are some terminal windows or similar with running logs (or chats) at some of the edges, partially obscured by other windows who make better use of the space they cover. But those partially covered windows are still showing me what's currently going on at all times (i.e. the last few lines), and I can get their full content at a mouse click/keyboard shortcut press.

Then there are partially obscured browser windows. Again the most relevant part of their content remains visible (e.g. for blogs that's usually roughly their "left half", for documentation with a content bar on the left their "right half"), and scrolling them does not require giving them focus.

Then there are tiny windows like minimized views of media players that usually neatly fit into some of the open space resulting from my arrangement. And series of windows all similar to each other that are carefully arranged such that a single click reveals any of them, nearly obscuring the rest of the same series, but never hiding any of them completely.

It may look "unkempt" at a first glance, but is actually very deliberate. I feel like a tiling environment with its constantly changing layout would be actual chaos... and somehow generally a step backwards. There are some dedicated situations where I tile two windows next to each other, but that's just that: A dedicated situation, often happening on another space/desktop.

Re: KDE: A Nice Tiling Environment and a Surprisingly Awesome DE

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I've been using KDE since 2.7 and I agree that, at least initially, 4 was awful, but primarily it was awful for the exact reasons Gnome was and is awful - they took away all the powerful functionality. They Apple-ified it. After a few point revisions it was almost back to it's former glory. 5/plasma is basically back to the power of 3.0, but I still miss Konqueror.

Well, Konqueror is still there. Dolphin just got so capable that people don't want to switch anymore, and it was left behind as a browser.

I miss the browser. I miss when we cared about KHTML passing the ACID2 tests.

I'm quite old now I guess :)

Re: KDE: A Nice Tiling Environment and a Surprisingly Awesome DE

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post #5

I must be one of the very few "hackerish" minded people that does not really get the appeal of tiling window managers. Even in the early days of Linux I meticulously arranged my overlapping windows in my X11R5 window manager. For example, there are some terminal windows or similar with running logs (or chats) at some of the edges, partially obscured by other windows who make better use of the space they cover. But th…

I'm the same way. I've tried the various tiling WMs over the years. To me the ideal is just letting me manage the windows myself, and then if you give me some keybindings to snap a window into a certain half or quadrant of the screen then life is real good.

Re: KDE: A Nice Tiling Environment and a Surprisingly Awesome DE

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post #7
post #5

I must be one of the very few "hackerish" minded people that does not really get the appeal of tiling window managers. Even in the early days of Linux I meticulously arranged my overlapping windows in my X11R5 window manager. For example, there are some terminal windows or similar with running logs (or chats) at some of the edges, partially obscured by other windows who make better use of the space they cover. But th…

I'm the same way. I've tried the various tiling WMs over the years. To me the ideal is just letting me manage the windows myself, and then if you give me some keybindings to snap a window into a certain half or quadrant of the screen then life is real good.

This is all I need. I use an app on macOS called sizeup that let's me do this. I can center a window for reading text on my larger display. Fullscreen a window without using the actual native full screen on macOS. Snap left, snap right, up down etc. It can also keep track of hardware profiles, so windows will restore to their bigger sizes and positions when I plug my laptop into a display.

https://s3.whalesalad.com/images/sizeup.png

Re: KDE: A Nice Tiling Environment and a Surprisingly Awesome DE

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Konqueror is still there. Dolphin just got so capable that people don't want to switch anymore, and it was left behind as a browser.

I miss the browser. I miss when we cared about KHTML passing the ACID2 tests. I'm quite old now I guess :)

Oh, ok. I miss having alternatives too.

If it kept up, I probably wouldn't be using Firefox now.

Re: KDE: A Nice Tiling Environment and a Surprisingly Awesome DE

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post #7
post #5

I must be one of the very few "hackerish" minded people that does not really get the appeal of tiling window managers. Even in the early days of Linux I meticulously arranged my overlapping windows in my X11R5 window manager. For example, there are some terminal windows or similar with running logs (or chats) at some of the edges, partially obscured by other windows who make better use of the space they cover. But th…

I'm the same way. I've tried the various tiling WMs over the years. To me the ideal is just letting me manage the windows myself, and then if you give me some keybindings to snap a window into a certain half or quadrant of the screen then life is real good.

That's exactly how I feel too!

For MacOS, I love Rectangle, which is both great and open source:

https://github.com/rxhanson/Rectangle

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