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Re: What's new in Flash 11

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Post by ryannielsen »

noamsml wrote: post #4
davidu wrote: post #2

I guess crashing isn't a feature. I'm not trying to be a troll, but let's be honest -- There has never been a version of Flash that hasn't piece a complete piece of garbage when it comes to stability and performance. If Adobe "got it" this list of "What's new" would include words like "removed" and "deprecated" and "eliminated." Those words don't appear once. They've just thrown more stuff into the kitchen sink that…

If adobe "got it", Flash would compile into cross-platform HTML5 code. The world doesn't need another inner platform.

Wallaby: Convert Adobe Flash FLA files into HTML and reach more devices

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/wallaby/

It's woefully limited right now, but it's obvious Adobe's exploring that avenue.

Re: What's new in Flash 11

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Post by ryannielsen »

melling wrote: post #14
keeperofdakeys wrote: post #10

The most interesting thing about Flash 11 is the Stage3D and how it compares against webgl. It looks like IE10 won't support webgl (at least the version in WDP doesn't), and webgl penetration on the mobile platform hasn't gone very far yet. This will make Flash 11 very attractive to developers who want accelerated 3d content. Although, the very fact webgl exists (and has implementations) means it definitely isn't out…

There are 3 free implementations of WebGL, and I think Opera support is on the way. If there's a WebGL game that you want to play, you can install Opera, Chrome, Safari or Firefox. As for mobile, neither Apple nor Microsoft will support it. Flash will be around for years, but platform support is on the wane.

By default, Safari does not support WebGL. With Safari 5.1, you need to enable the Develop menu in Safari's preferences and then select Develop > Enable WebGL.

Re: What's new in Flash 11

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Post by SimHacker »

keeperofdakeys wrote: post #10

The most interesting thing about Flash 11 is the Stage3D and how it compares against webgl. It looks like IE10 won't support webgl (at least the version in WDP doesn't), and webgl penetration on the mobile platform hasn't gone very far yet. This will make Flash 11 very attractive to developers who want accelerated 3d content. Although, the very fact webgl exists (and has implementations) means it definitely isn't out…

Unity3D and Flash: http://blogs.unity3d.com/2011/02/27/unity-flash-3d-on-the-we...

Re: What's new in Flash 11

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Post by ido »

ender7 wrote: post #30

Some of these are really welcome changes for me (native JSON, bezier curves, TLS sockets, DisplayObjectContainer.removeChildren). And yet... And yet I'm still planning on switching my web app to HTML5. This is coming from a guy who's sunk over two years of development into Flash. It's not because the runtime is buggy and/or crashy (it is, but it's not that bad). It's not because it's so much easier to develop in HTML…

I was originally in your shoes, but after my first real attempt at writing a game in js/html I came to the conclusion it's still a ton easier in flash.

If you are talking about something more static (e.g. a non-game application or a fairly static game like a match-3) it's probably less of an issue.

Re: What's new in Flash 11

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Post by riffraff »

beej71 wrote: post #50
namityadav wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure Adobe is working on HTML5 tools. But, It must cost them a fortune to support Flashplayer (which they give away for nothing) The cost of supporting the free Flashplayer is paid for by the lock-in that this enables. Afterall, Dreamweaver doesn't have the kind of market dominance that Flash Professional has.

Yes, however, the desired "lock-in" is to the tool, which sells, not the Flashplayer. People are used to developing with Flash Professional and have AS3 codebases, etc. If Adobe successfully targets HTML5 instead of Flashplayer, these people can (and in all likelihood will choose to) continue to use FlashWhatever Professional and even their AS3 codebases. The player is merely a medium, though by authoring it, Adobe c…

IMO the big differences between flash/photoshop and dreamweaver is that people look at the output.

Few people stand up and complain about the poor bytecode in SWF or the poor encoding inside PSD files, while _everybody_ used to complain about the code produced by dreamweaver and how much better it was to write HTML/CSS/JS by hand.

Probably once web devs stop looking at the "generated assembly" tools for programming at a higher level will be more successful.

Re: What's new in Flash 11

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Post by rimantas »

thomasgerbe wrote: post #47
davidu wrote: post #2

I guess crashing isn't a feature. I'm not trying to be a troll, but let's be honest -- There has never been a version of Flash that hasn't piece a complete piece of garbage when it comes to stability and performance. If Adobe "got it" this list of "What's new" would include words like "removed" and "deprecated" and "eliminated." Those words don't appear once. They've just thrown more stuff into the kitchen sink that…

"There has never been a version of Flash that hasn't piece a complete piece of garbage when it comes to stability and performance." YMMZ. I'm using Chrome right now and I'd say despite playing lots of Flash games and watching players that use Flash, most of the crashes that happen are due to the browser.

  > most of the crashes that happen are due to the browser.
How do you know that these are not caused by Flash plugin?

Re: What's new in Flash 11

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Post by keeperofdakeys »

SimHacker wrote: post #53
keeperofdakeys wrote: post #10

The most interesting thing about Flash 11 is the Stage3D and how it compares against webgl. It looks like IE10 won't support webgl (at least the version in WDP doesn't), and webgl penetration on the mobile platform hasn't gone very far yet. This will make Flash 11 very attractive to developers who want accelerated 3d content. Although, the very fact webgl exists (and has implementations) means it definitely isn't out…

Unity3D and Flash: http://blogs.unity3d.com/2011/02/27/unity-flash-3d-on-the-we...

Developers who wanted 3D content on the web have used Unity3D to achieve this. With the release of flash 11, developers who didn't explicitly need 3d web content may decide to throw it in, as they 'get it for free'. This is only considering that flash 11 will have a large penetration rate as people update. For the people who really want 3D content, the ease of development for each platform will probably be a deciding factor (obviously webgl isn't the most viable option for now, but that may change).

Re: What's new in Flash 11

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Post by rimantas »

BillPosters wrote: post #49

As an HTML/JS developer I really appreciate these powerful features that HTML5 will never have, and wasn't designed to have. People who say "use HTML5 instead of Flash" obviously have limited experience in actually building HTML web apps and sites. Ever tried making a javascript pre-loader? Not gonna happen. There's no jquery.bytesLoaded to the rescue. Even before the web-app has loaded, HTML is struggling to stay in…

Strangely enough I've seen a few preloaders working just fine. Are you aware about element in HTML5, XMLHttpRequest Level 2, Progress Events?

Re: What's new in Flash 11

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Post by comex »

MetaMan wrote: post #35
georgemcbay wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's right though it depends what you mean by a "crash". An unhandled exception due to referencing a null object that caused the Flash app to crash? Developer's fault, not Adobe's. A crash that brings down the entire Flash runtime (and possibly the browser hosting it)? Adobe(or the browser vendor)'s fault, not the developers. Even if the developer does something horribly stupid in ActionScript, the runtime should nev…

Agreed. But most of the crashes I see are of the former type (I.e developers fault). I honestly can't remember ever seeing a Flash crash actually bring down the the browser. Maybe I've been very lucky. I see that I'm getting down voted for calling 'ED' out on his sweeping statement where he did not define what he meant by a "crash". Note that for many users a "crash" is when what ever App/game/web-page they are runni…

People are definitely referring to Flash taking down the browser (or crashing the plugin in Chrome and Safari, which have plugin sandboxes). Personally, I've seen "Plug-in Failure" several times even though I rarely visit sites that feature Flash. Steve Jobs wrote that "we know first hand that Flash is the number one reason Macs crash."

Re: What's new in Flash 11

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Post by acqq »

Note: "High-efficiency SWF compression support: Developers can now take advantage of LZMA compression for their SWF files. LZMA compression can reduce SWF size by up to 40 percent, enabling users to benefit from richer experiences with shorter download times and reduced bandwidth consumption."

If I understand correctly, they must have used the code developed by Igor Pavlov, the author of 7z, who made it LGPL. LGPL means his code must be in a separate DLL, can anybody confirm that?

Note that this guy, to which Adobe refers:

http://blog.kaourantin.net/?p=124

claims it's public domain, but it's not:

http://www.7-zip.org/

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