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The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Re: The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Post by bratwurst3000 »

kragen wrote: post #433
bratwurst3000 wrote: post #425

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Hmm no I am not saying that. The problem is that if they would meet offline they wouldnt be a group of 20.000 people or so in one room with the easy possibility to spread their worldview. Free speech is something valuable but beeing able to downstream information to thousand of people instant that easy is a problem. There is a difference between free speach and lying with intent to spread a certain world view. Edit;…

I'm not sure what you mean by "manipulating people with intent", but certainly many kinds of manipulation are well within the bounds of freedom of speech as it is generally imagined, and especially within the bounds of what should be legally protected according to even minimal theories of civil liberties. So it sounds like you're less libertarian than even fairly non-libertarian people.

As I said, how big the number is, is the problem. I dont say they should ban telegram or sth. The problem is how easy it is to misuse this platforms for malintent. Thats has nothing to do what someone is saying. It has somethig to do how the message is distributet and if the intent ist the articulating of ones free mind or manipulating the others for benefit….

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Post by nate_meurer »

kragen wrote: post #381
School-Cotton wrote: post #282

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Just FYI the zero-padded date thing is incredibly distracting and weird. (Yes I know there’s some “foundation” pushing this, but still).

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

To be consistent, you should pad the other numbers you use too. Like money amounts. And I think you should pad dates out to eight digits, just to be safe.

Re: The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Post by Terry_Roll »

tomc1985 wrote: post #434
Terry_Roll wrote: post #394

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Obviously I'm not going to be making copies of it to report because then I can get done for making illegal porn, that is the way the laws are written. Here is an example using whatsapp. https://www.theregister.com/2014/08/05/whatsapp_smut_convict... Two blokes in a Whatsapp group, someone sent some animal porn and because they were part of the group they got convicted of downloading. I accept I can be done for downlo…

Ok but whatsapp and reddit are very very different. It is very easy to see how people can dissemnimate kiddie porn in an unmoderated WhatsApp group. But for a post to make it to the global reddit front page (not your personalized homepage) it would have to make it past the eyes of probably millions of people. Short of botting or hacking I can't see how it would even be possible.

I do think there is an element of "botting" as you would put it.

Theres a lot more going on behind the scenes than most people realise. There is a lot of data sharing taking place between businesses behind the scenes and there is a resistance for different entities to admit this but GDPR is slowly prizing open those dark pools of data.

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Post by nate_meurer »

colinmhayes wrote: post #440
tagoregrtst wrote: post #157

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Feinstein is the senator I dislike the most. Even after she complained like a baby that the FBI had surveilled her (what did she expect?) it didn't affect her political positions one bit. She cant loose the elections because shes a Dem from CA. She cant get primaried because shes in the hands of the SV

> Feinstein is the senator I dislike the most You don't mind the senators that voted to disenfranchise the millions of voters in Arizona?

This is the kind of comment that I fucking hate the most. You've attacked OP with a stupid, bad-faith presumption that has nothing to do with their simple and straightforward statement.

In case I have to spell it out for you, yes, OP can simultaneously disagree with Feinstein and with multiple other politicians.

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Post by ComodoHacker »

bratwurst3000 wrote: post #425
ComodoHacker wrote: post #408

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If you deny them Telegram, Facebook, Parler or any other online platform, people would gather offline and have their echo chambers there. Just as they did before Internet. So you're basically saying 1st amendment harms society, not online platforms.

Hmm no I am not saying that. The problem is that if they would meet offline they wouldnt be a group of 20.000 people or so in one room with the easy possibility to spread their worldview. Free speech is something valuable but beeing able to downstream information to thousand of people instant that easy is a problem. There is a difference between free speach and lying with intent to spread a certain world view. Edit;…

>beeing able to downstream information to thousand of people instant that easy is a problem

Was it a problem a couple centuries ago, when offline media emerged and blossomed? It was the same effect, just smaller scale. Yet, free press is valued as essential for democracy.

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Post by School-Cotton »

missingrib wrote: post #443
School-Cotton wrote: post #282

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Just FYI the zero-padded date thing is incredibly distracting and weird. (Yes I know there’s some “foundation” pushing this, but still).

What foundation?

The Long Now Foundation

Re: The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Post by kragen »

lebuffon wrote: post #414
roenxi wrote: post #379

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If the real number of cases is double that, then that would be a death rate of ... about 0.6%. And not everyone catches the disease in one pandemic wave, so the total population death rate in the US isn't going to reach that. And the idea that the US is going to roll over and shrug when their hospital system falls apart is nonsensical. It is one of those sounds-scary-not-likely scenarios that doesn't play out at scal…

As long as their is oxygen support and health care people show up for work you are correct. In Mexico and other countries with less access to modern health care the death rate seems to be an order of magnitude higher. (if the CDC data is valid) This was just a trainer pandemic. :-) Imagine one where the children and young people are dying instead of seniors.

Amazingly, it's true, in countries like Mexico and the USA the death rate was an order of magnitude higher than in Australia: 0.23% and 0.27%, respectively, rather than 0.016%. But even in countries with good access to modern health care the rate was often pretty bad; Italy had 0.24%, the UK 0.23%, Spain 0.20%, and France also 0.20%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_death_rates_...

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Post by colinmhayes »

nate_meurer wrote: post #454
colinmhayes wrote: post #440

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> Feinstein is the senator I dislike the most You don't mind the senators that voted to disenfranchise the millions of voters in Arizona?

This is the kind of comment that I fucking hate the most. You've attacked OP with a stupid, bad-faith presumption that has nothing to do with their simple and straightforward statement. In case I have to spell it out for you, yes, OP can simultaneously disagree with Feinstein and with multiple other politicians.

> OP can simultaneously disagree with Feinstein and with multiple other politicians.

That's not what they said. They said Feinstein was worse.

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Post by kragen »

vel0city wrote: post #428
kragen wrote: post #241

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That's definitely an abridgment of your rights to free speech. The Anarchist Cookbook is an interesting study: prior restraint was never exercised against it because Hoover's FBI decided it was protected by the First Amendment, and it was published by the same (commercial) publisher as Charles Bukowski, The Sensuous Woman , and The Turner Diaries , selling some two million copies in all. But it's so famously terrible…

> That's definitely an abridgment of your rights to free speech. As a student you have a far more limited right to free speech in school. See Morse v. Frederick, 551 U.S. 393 (2007), the famous BONG HITS 4 JESUS case. Those students weren't even technically on school grounds (across the street) but were a part of a school function. A school definitely has the right to suspend a student for distributing material deeme…

No, they do not. The Supreme Court ruled incorrectly in Morse v. Frederick. Oppressive governments and other institutions infringe on people's free speech rights frequently. The fact that their administrative organs reaffirm those infringements on appeal does not annul the infringements; it merely adds insult to injury.

Re: The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Post by kragen »

abecedarius wrote: post #449
kragen wrote: post #400

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#notallpeople

It seems like there was a time when these Long Now dates would prompt curiosity here on HN, without so much hostility as now. I don't care about the dates, but the aggressively conventional are something else.

It's useful for flushing the unthinking conformists out of the underbrush. That way we know who would have cheered on the court's sentence on Turing or Galileo before it matters.
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