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The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Re: The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Post by School-Cotton »

kragen wrote: post #381
School-Cotton wrote: post #282

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Just FYI the zero-padded date thing is incredibly distracting and weird. (Yes I know there’s some “foundation” pushing this, but still).

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

It makes your post come off as an ad for this foundation that 99.9% of people don’t care about and that has nothing to do with the topic being discussed; it’s as if I inserted [DRINK MORE COCA-COLA] into random parts of my comment.

Yes, distracting from your main point by intentionally attracting attention to something completely unrelated is bad.

Re: The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Post by kragen »

vel0city wrote: post #427
RustyConsul wrote: post #420

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A democratic government is a government built and run for the 51%. Technically, pure anarchy is the only form of government that is for the people by the people because... theres only the people. Not some entity set above and beyond the reaches of 'The people', with authority over the people. Not that i believe in anarchy as the epitome of governance, but Bakunin has left me slightly jaded ever since i read him in hi…

> Smoking cigs are bad for your health and 80% of the people agree... So lets ban cigarettes! Smoking is kind of a bad example here. Smoking has obvious secondary effects, i.e. secondhand smoke. I have no problem with tobacco smoking being banned from shared office spaces and other common public spaces. Sure, maybe make it possible to get somewhat easy permits to allow for things like smoking lounges, certain kinds o…

> You should have the right to inhale whatever the hell you want.

This position puts you far to the liberal side of any existing internationally recognized democratic government; all of them currently place restrictions on what you are allowed to inhale, and contrary to vkou's point in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30230039, that doesn't seem to be the only alternative to ceding power over what you inhale to undemocratic, unelected oligarchs.

Re: The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Post by kragen »

bratwurst3000 wrote: post #425
ComodoHacker wrote: post #408

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If you deny them Telegram, Facebook, Parler or any other online platform, people would gather offline and have their echo chambers there. Just as they did before Internet. So you're basically saying 1st amendment harms society, not online platforms.

Hmm no I am not saying that. The problem is that if they would meet offline they wouldnt be a group of 20.000 people or so in one room with the easy possibility to spread their worldview. Free speech is something valuable but beeing able to downstream information to thousand of people instant that easy is a problem. There is a difference between free speach and lying with intent to spread a certain world view. Edit;…

I'm not sure what you mean by "manipulating people with intent", but certainly many kinds of manipulation are well within the bounds of freedom of speech as it is generally imagined, and especially within the bounds of what should be legally protected according to even minimal theories of civil liberties. So it sounds like you're less libertarian than even fairly non-libertarian people.

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Post by tomc1985 »

Terry_Roll wrote: post #394
tomc1985 wrote: post #285

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> reddit or twitter does not and regularly on reddit illegal porn (child & animal) is making the front page of reddit before moderators take it down. I am on reddit multiple times a day for years and I have never seen this happen.

Obviously I'm not going to be making copies of it to report because then I can get done for making illegal porn, that is the way the laws are written. Here is an example using whatsapp. https://www.theregister.com/2014/08/05/whatsapp_smut_convict... Two blokes in a Whatsapp group, someone sent some animal porn and because they were part of the group they got convicted of downloading. I accept I can be done for downlo…

Ok but whatsapp and reddit are very very different. It is very easy to see how people can dissemnimate kiddie porn in an unmoderated WhatsApp group. But for a post to make it to the global reddit front page (not your personalized homepage) it would have to make it past the eyes of probably millions of people. Short of botting or hacking I can't see how it would even be possible.

Re: The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Post by tagoregrtst »

bsder wrote: post #236
tagoregrtst wrote: post #157

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Feinstein is the senator I dislike the most. Even after she complained like a baby that the FBI had surveilled her (what did she expect?) it didn't affect her political positions one bit. She cant loose the elections because shes a Dem from CA. She cant get primaried because shes in the hands of the SV

> She cant loose the elections because shes a Dem from CA. She cant get primaried because shes in the hands of the SV It sounds like you need to do some research about California politics. Feinstein is by no means untouchable. And more of her support comes from Hollywood and old media than from SV. However, she does have a core in San Francisco given that's where she wound up as mayor stemming from the Moscone–Milk a…

Good point about CA’s primaries, I forgot about that quirk. But that only makes her permanence worse. By 2024 she might not be alive or too tiered, she’s not young, but she’s not in danger. Shes been senator since 1992!

My SV comment is not that the proles (that includes tech workers) in San Fran care for her, but tech power in SV is allied with her from a decades long symbiotic relationship.

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Post by fallingknife »

hanniabu wrote: post #259
cossatot wrote: post #80

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FOX and CNN are constantly accused of spreading misinformation by huge swaths of the populace (but not necessarily the same swath for both networks).

Any examples of CNN misinformation? Not saying it doesn't happen, I'm just not aware of it. Meanwhile FOX misinformation is pretty well known.

Russiagate would be just one example. And of course when they said Joe Rogan was taking horse dewormer.

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Post by tagoregrtst »

shostack wrote: post #246
tagoregrtst wrote: post #157

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Feinstein is the senator I dislike the most. Even after she complained like a baby that the FBI had surveilled her (what did she expect?) it didn't affect her political positions one bit. She cant loose the elections because shes a Dem from CA. She cant get primaried because shes in the hands of the SV

Really? You can't think of _any_ others who have done much worse things to our country?

Well theres only 100 of them. For what I care for she’s always on the other side.

The only time I agreed with her was her torture work, but that revealed her hypocrisy.

So, on the whole, I disagree with her and I believe her to be a massive hypocrite.

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Post by dane-pgp »

friendlydog wrote: post #426
dane-pgp wrote: post #228

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> penalties for lobbyists and politicians who back this kind of thing You want to make it illegal for people to propose and vote for policies that you don't like? What if they beat you to it and pass a law that stops you from getting your law passed?

Some parts of government should be immutable, and putting safeguards to ensure constants are constant makes a lot of sense to me.

The idea that a part of the government could be unchangeable even if 100% of the people in the country oppose it, seems not just dystopian but philosophically absurd.

As a compromise, though, how about having some rules about which laws the government is allowed to make, and requiring something like a two-thirds majority to be able to change those rules.

Then you could have a rule saying that the government can't make any laws that cause the people to not be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures.

Actually you're right, maybe that won't be sufficient.

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Post by dane-pgp »

aspenmayer wrote: post #364
nichos wrote: post #258

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Shouldn't it be covered under the 4th amendment?

There is historical precedent classifying encryption as munitions, so arguably the 2nd amendment would also apply, in addition to the 4th.

There's also historical precedent for classifying encryption software as speech (at least when printed in book form), so the 1st amendment should apply too. Then of course there are 5th amendment issues with requiring people to disclose their encryption keys.

While we're at it, the 3rd amendment forbids the quartering of soldiers in homes, which, as others have pointed out, is at least analogous to requiring government-approved spying software on our phones.

https://www.rstreet.org/2016/04/12/encryption-balancing-the-...

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Post by colinmhayes »

tagoregrtst wrote: post #157
bsder wrote: post #104

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Sadly, Feinstein doesn't give one iota of damn ... unless she is being wiretapped. And, at this point, I'm not sure that she actually even knows what she is doing. However, too many people are on the gravy train that are preventing her from resigning.

Feinstein is the senator I dislike the most. Even after she complained like a baby that the FBI had surveilled her (what did she expect?) it didn't affect her political positions one bit. She cant loose the elections because shes a Dem from CA. She cant get primaried because shes in the hands of the SV

> Feinstein is the senator I dislike the most

You don't mind the senators that voted to disenfranchise the millions of voters in Arizona?

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