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J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Reuters story

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Re: J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Reuters story

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It’s strange, it’s crashing Safari on iOS: Mirror here: https://archive.ph/vfOkX

How on earth is this page killing all 3 mobile rendering engines?! I literally can't view the page on my phone.

Link sent Chromium-based Vanadium to some sort of catch-all Reuters site instead of crashing as it did with Bromite. First time I recall having seen such a wack behavior.

Re: J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Reuters story

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No, this is why it's important to have checks and balances against unrestrained judicial power. These checks and balances must include legal as well as practical costs and difficulties in having those orders implemented. The system should assume malice on all parties, and work accordingly.

The checks and balances here is the appeals process, which fails when the cost of appealing isn't worth it. It will always be the case where a judge can calibrate a decision to be under the cost of appealing. Which is why it is important to have judges be moral and wise...who don't let their egos get in the way and restrain themselves , instead of forcing you to pay any cost to check them.

There could be a system that punished judges for overturned rulings and rewarded people who put in the effort to overturn them.

Re: J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Reuters story

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Talc is often contaminated with asbestos, which is a carcinogen.

Assuming that this got down-voted because it says "contaminated", whereas the other posts here suggest that it's often used intentionally--or at least with indifference--as an ingredient.

It is downvoted because both statements are coming from a place of ignorance. Asbestos is neither a common contaminant or intentional additive.

There have been disputed allegations that contamination could have occurred and resulted in cancer.

Re: J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Reuters story

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> Overwhelmingly they were attacked when they spoke on the cancer link with talc powder. As well they should be. Feeding vaccine FUD over an unrelated incident is dangerous at a time when trust in our institutions is so vital.

Unrelated? Trust is earned . Companies are big, but senior leadership teams and boards are pretty small and wield an enormous amount of influence and power and since we can't predict future actions we can only look backwards. Not allowing people to speak out could end up being more dangerous in the long run.

It was J&J whose reaction to the poisoning of Tylenol is taught as a PR masterstroke in B-school. Apparently they didn't integrate the lesson.

Re: J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Reuters story

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The baby powder story is a great opportunity to remember that there are actual journalists doing valuable work, and society needs them. Meanwhile, the oft-repeated sentiment is that we should get rid of journalists and news agencies because every single one of them is supposedly a sell-out. That’d surely resolve a number of issues for companies like J&J.

But the government is happy to shield them from liability when it comes to vaccines.

Re: J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Reuters story

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All the profits to them, all the risk to us. I'm sure Pharma companies are loving that arrangement. It's much easier to bribe a politician than make a new product that actually works when development costs hundreds of millions. We don't want politicians to turn pill pushers with kickback schemes for things that barely work. How does the saying go ... "Don't invite the devil in"

> All the profits to them, all the risk to us. I'm sure Pharma companies are loving that arrangement. That's how it works everywhere in public policy, which is the only area where you can't directly sue Pharma companies (i.e. when the government makes a vaccine series part of the childhood vaccination series or part of a pandemic response regimen). But at that point the party directing you to take the vaccine isn't t…

That depends on the definition of 'actually works' and vaccine. Both which need redefining in the new scheme.

Personally I'll grant that wearing gloves helps prevent frostbite. But I wouldn't make people in Hawaii wear them.

I think you have to look at the groups most at risk and it turns out its really old people with multiple morbidity either already in hospital near death or coming in from nursing homes.

I just don't see how showing some statical benefit to that group translates to general healthy much younger population.

And even than, I think you could show a statistical benefit to giving two doses of a laxative in fighting covid in 80+ year olds, if all you counted was the health outcomes in the stronger surviving subpopulation that survived the laxative two weeks later.

I've taken enough statistics at university to know I can safely ignore anything that isn't a double blind study.

So lets just say it's debatable.

Re: J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Reuters story

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The baby powder story is a great opportunity to remember that there are actual journalists doing valuable work, and society needs them. Meanwhile, the oft-repeated sentiment is that we should get rid of journalists and news agencies because every single one of them is supposedly a sell-out. That’d surely resolve a number of issues for companies like J&J.

But the government is happy to shield them from liability when it comes to vaccines.

Governments belong in the same bucket as companies, from the point of view of actual journalism.

Re: J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Reuters story

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Pharma companies get away with way too much. No other industry could you sell products that only slightly work as advertised for some people, some of the time. But charge everyone same, with no refunds when the product doesn't work. And you can't even sue if it causes you harm. The new development to use the power of the courts and government to mandate their use should give you pause. The absolute risk reduction (AR…

Only a certain percent of people enjoy themselves on rollercoasters. Therefore, charging everyone for entry is a scam. > And you can't even sue if it causes you harm. There are 38,200 pending lawsuits against J&J solely for talc powder claims. A single one of them was $2.5 billion.

Vaccines have a liability shield. Your only restitution is filing a claim with the NVICP, which is like applying for social security. They'll deny you as long as they can and then give you the bare minimum once approved, but no where near the amount that was taken from you and often not enough to even survive.

Re: J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Reuters story

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Pharma companies get away with way too much. No other industry could you sell products that only slightly work as advertised for some people, some of the time. But charge everyone same, with no refunds when the product doesn't work. And you can't even sue if it causes you harm. The new development to use the power of the courts and government to mandate their use should give you pause. The absolute risk reduction (AR…

There's a reason the US has an FDA. What we're seeing here is with standards in place... Imagine the landscape with no standards or regulation. ... Or, hell, we don't even have to imagine, because we've been watching people actively try and dodge the regulations to treat a virus with livestock de-wormer because some influential people suggested it would work.

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Re: J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Reuters story

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"you can’t get an injunction to prevent someone from publishing something." You can't, in theory. In practice this sort of thing happens all the time. I had a judge issue a clearly unconstitutional order limiting my speech (there was no action on my part leading up to this, it was a broad order applying to more than just me). My lawyer's take was that while it was clearly not allowed, it wasn't particularly important…

Family court telling a father not to tweet mean things and any court telling a journalist, with a track record of publishing, not to publish, are clear and separate things.

Yes, one violates freedom of the press, and the other violates freedom of speech.

Both are protected by the first amendment.

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