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J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Reuters story

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Re: J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Reuters story

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It’s strange, it’s crashing Safari on iOS: Mirror here: https://archive.ph/vfOkX

How on earth is this page killing all 3 mobile rendering engines?! I literally can't view the page on my phone.

Who needs an injunction from the courts to stop people from reading an article when news sites will do it to themselves with tons of completely unnecessary poorly written javascript

Re: J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Reuters story

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I'm not going to elaborate other than to say my speech was restrained due to someone else's actions, but family court is definitely an area where common practice has strayed very, very far from anything resembling constitutionality. One such example: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201...

You can't bring up an anecdote as a counterpoint then refuse to explain the anecdote. It's a bit unfair. Edit: someone posted the rules that says we should accept people's comments in good faith. I'll try to do that. Leaving this comment for posterity.

Sure they can, if: a) it might get them in legal hot water, or b) it is personal and they don’t want to get into it.

You’re not owed anything by anyone here, and they did bring up an example about family court and link to an article about it. :)

Re: J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Reuters story

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So either 1) the lawyers ripped off J&J by spending time on this or 2) J&J management was so angry and irrational that they demanded the lawyers waste their time on this. Every lawyer worth their salt in America knows that you can’t get an injunction to prevent someone from publishing something. That’s a prior restraint and is about as close as you can get to something absolutely forbidden under American law.

> Every lawyer worth their salt in America knows that you can’t get an injunction to prevent someone from publishing something. That’s a prior restraint and is about as close as you can get to something absolutely forbidden under American law.

A lot of contracts people sign (NDAs and federal security clearance paperwork being the two examples that spring to mind) include clauses allowing a judge to issue a prior restraint injunction if you try to violate them.

Re: J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Reuters story

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I have seen several people talk personally about why they do not trust the vaccine from Johnson and Johnson on HN over the last year in various comments. Overwhelmingly they were attacked when they spoke on the cancer link with talc powder. Regardless of the direct correlation or none at all to the 'contaminated' talc they were selling as a product with baby in the name, and it verifiable contained asbestos. I think…

> Overwhelmingly they were attacked when they spoke on the cancer link with talc powder.

As well they should be. Feeding vaccine FUD over an unrelated incident is dangerous at a time when trust in our institutions is so vital.

Re: J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Reuters story

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So either 1) the lawyers ripped off J&J by spending time on this or 2) J&J management was so angry and irrational that they demanded the lawyers waste their time on this. Every lawyer worth their salt in America knows that you can’t get an injunction to prevent someone from publishing something. That’s a prior restraint and is about as close as you can get to something absolutely forbidden under American law.

"you can’t get an injunction to prevent someone from publishing something." You can't, in theory. In practice this sort of thing happens all the time. I had a judge issue a clearly unconstitutional order limiting my speech (there was no action on my part leading up to this, it was a broad order applying to more than just me). My lawyer's take was that while it was clearly not allowed, it wasn't particularly important…

It's more that the bar is extremely high, but yes, prior restraint on speech is not impossible. There has to be a direct through-line from the speech itself to probable irreparable harm to the beneficiary of the restraint.

"Dear mobsters, this is the address where the FBI has sequestered a witness" is around the place the bar is.

"That report might be defamatory to a corporation because we can argue it is untrue" is nowhere near the bar (truth is an affirmative defense, and the possible harm is reconcilable in law via monetary compensation and damages).

Re: J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Reuters story

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So either 1) the lawyers ripped off J&J by spending time on this or 2) J&J management was so angry and irrational that they demanded the lawyers waste their time on this. Every lawyer worth their salt in America knows that you can’t get an injunction to prevent someone from publishing something. That’s a prior restraint and is about as close as you can get to something absolutely forbidden under American law.

"you can’t get an injunction to prevent someone from publishing something." You can't, in theory. In practice this sort of thing happens all the time. I had a judge issue a clearly unconstitutional order limiting my speech (there was no action on my part leading up to this, it was a broad order applying to more than just me). My lawyer's take was that while it was clearly not allowed, it wasn't particularly important…

Was about to say something similar.

FISA court orders, family court, settlement agreements, arbitration, civil lawsuits, criminal trials, etc

There are so many different ways you can be “gagged” it’s very common.

There’s a reason they tried to get the publication stopped - because it often works.

Re: J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Reuters story

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Although I know I'm wrong 99% of the time I sometimes get that feeling about my fellow programmers when I look at code...

Yeah, there is probably truth in that, too. I did hear people complain about some new UI/UX, on how it makes it too easy for nontechnical people to use it.

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Re: J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Reuters story

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post #56

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This same judge said something along the lines of "there are no limits on my ability to issue orders until an appeals court overturns them." He was keenly aware that the issue wasn't significant enough to appeal and that his power was essentially unchecked. Lawyers are very aware of this dynamic.

This is why it is so important to have wise judges that are held to a very high moral standard.

... and, in jurisdictions that allow it, for the public to bother to research judges and vote them in our out of office.

Re: J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Reuters story

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not going to elaborate other than to say my speech was restrained due to someone else's actions, but family court is definitely an area where common practice has strayed very, very far from anything resembling constitutionality. One such example: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201...

You can't bring up an anecdote as a counterpoint then refuse to explain the anecdote. It's a bit unfair. Edit: someone posted the rules that says we should accept people's comments in good faith. I'll try to do that. Leaving this comment for posterity.

They absolutely do not have to explain themselves further. They owe you (and us) nothing.

Re: J&J tried to get federal judge to block publication of Reuters story

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't bring up an anecdote as a counterpoint then refuse to explain the anecdote. It's a bit unfair. Edit: someone posted the rules that says we should accept people's comments in good faith. I'll try to do that. Leaving this comment for posterity.

They absolutely do not have to explain themselves further. They owe you (and us) nothing.

I just mean from a debat/argument standpoint. How can someone say "No, that's incorrect, but I refuse to elaborate". Why even talk? lol
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