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An open call to restore normalcy for U.S. children

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Re: An open call to restore normalcy for U.S. children

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Post by maxerickson »

inter_netuser wrote: post #34
maxerickson wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.27.21268278v... It's less true for Omicron, but the study there looked at transmission in Danish households. Against Delta, vaccinated individuals were much less likely to get infected. Against Omicron, boosted individuals are less likely to get infected, and vaccinated are similar to unvaccinated.

Not commenting on the particular issue/article, but can we dispense with blind faith in pre-prints as gospel and final instance of truth? "This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice." Consider all pre-prints complete bunk until proven otherwise. Anyone can publish wh…

I object to your characterization of my posting the link as "blind faith", and that I have somehow adopted it as gospel.

It's an analysis of an interesting data set and the conclusion isn't unreasonable.

Re: An open call to restore normalcy for U.S. children

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throwaway984393 wrote: post #25

"Children aren't at risk, so let them go back to school without restrictions" "But they still can spread the virus to vulnerable people. How will this not result in more deaths of vulnerable people?" "Those people can wear a mask." So, fuck the health and safety of adults [and vulnerable children], our children feeling happy is more important.

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Re: An open call to restore normalcy for U.S. children

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Post by _mnlu »

throwaway984393 wrote: post #25

"Children aren't at risk, so let them go back to school without restrictions" "But they still can spread the virus to vulnerable people. How will this not result in more deaths of vulnerable people?" "Those people can wear a mask." So, fuck the health and safety of adults [and vulnerable children], our children feeling happy is more important.

I think that's a reasonable view at this point. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, particularly when a lot of the few will be dead soon enough anyway.

Re: An open call to restore normalcy for U.S. children

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Post by inter_netuser »

aaomidi wrote: post #36
inter_netuser wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And voluntarily unvaccinated people should not fill ICU beds that other people need. Wow. I'm speechless. Blacks (along with some other minorities) are the group with the lowest vaccination rate, for rather obvious reasons. If you aren't familiar, look up the Tuskegee experiment. You are proposing to flat out deny life-saving medical care, in a critical illness situation, to those very vulnerable groups that have co…

This is also ignoring the fact that hospital staffing and beds have been on the decline for the past few decades. We were gonna run out of capacity at some point. COVID just made that come sooner.

Strange how that's completely forbidden to discussed.

Re: An open call to restore normalcy for U.S. children

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Post by throwaway984393 »

_mnlu wrote: post #43
throwaway984393 wrote: post #25

"Children aren't at risk, so let them go back to school without restrictions" "But they still can spread the virus to vulnerable people. How will this not result in more deaths of vulnerable people?" "Those people can wear a mask." So, fuck the health and safety of adults [and vulnerable children], our children feeling happy is more important.

I think that's a reasonable view at this point. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, particularly when a lot of the few will be dead soon enough anyway.

By arguing that the few should suffer and die just so the many can lead a comfortable life, then genocide, slavery, classism, teacher etc are all totally cool too. As long as the needs of the many are served by it, it's fine. Right?

... only in this case it's not a need, it's a want.

Re: An open call to restore normalcy for U.S. children

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Post by aaomidi »

inter_netuser wrote: post #44
aaomidi wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is also ignoring the fact that hospital staffing and beds have been on the decline for the past few decades. We were gonna run out of capacity at some point. COVID just made that come sooner.

Strange how that's completely forbidden to discussed.

I wouldn't say its forbidden. It's just that the antivaxxers have become the new "them", and "enemy". I'm not a fan of them, but ignoring the obvious problems in our healthcare system and blaming it on the action of a bunch of people who for multitudes of reasons don't trust the government is just liberalism in action.

But yeah, I'm really frustrated that we're ignoring the obvious problems here.

Re: An open call to restore normalcy for U.S. children

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway984393 wrote: post #45
_mnlu wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's a reasonable view at this point. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, particularly when a lot of the few will be dead soon enough anyway.

By arguing that the few should suffer and die just so the many can lead a comfortable life, then genocide, slavery, classism, teacher etc are all totally cool too. As long as the needs of the many are served by it, it's fine. Right? ... only in this case it's not a need, it's a want.

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