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Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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Law Enforcement definitely do not have "meh" pay in "most municipalities".

And let me guess, all teachers do is hand out worksheets for 6 hours a day and why do you always see 3 constructions workers standing around a hole? But you- you cleared 1.5 story points today tying two Javascript libraries together, that's where the real value is.

In New Jersey most of the town cops make 6 figures and are in less danger than a bicyclist on public roads.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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Tile didn't work well enough for stalking. I bought some Tiles and Trackrs and gave them to friends who agreed to help me test their usefulness, pretending that they had "stolen" these items from me. I would see if I could locate them a few days later when I "noticed them missing". I got one ping from a Tile once when the friend had apparently stopped for gas, but none from their house. And zero at all from the Track…

> Apple has built a find-me network that actually works. Therefore it also works for stalking. Therefore Apple is getting the criticism. Isn’t this criticism a bit like arguing that binoculars/telescopes are bad because they allow people to peep into other peoples windows or cars deserve criticism because they allow you to tail someone(or run from authorities)? Tools can basically always be misused.

More like the criticism that tiny cameras DO get because they're used for stalking / creepshots.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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I guess I don't get it. For the price of an AirTag, you can buy a more capable tracker with GPS and mobile data. And it won't be notifying the trackee that it's there. The AirTag seems like a downgrade.

True but not with the same tiny size and battery life. GPS and mobile connectivity are big power drains.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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Source of Apple giving out AirTag info?

Source: Apple. https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/law-enforcement-guidelin... For government and law enforcement information requests, Apple complies with the laws pertaining to global entities that control our data and we provide details as legally required. L. AirTag and Find My Network Accessory Program To add AirTag or supported third-party products to the Items tab in the Find My app, customers must have an App…

Yes.

>Apple may be able to provide the paired account details in response to a subpoena or greater legal process

Source of them actually doing this?

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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There's a lot to unpack in this back and forth. Violent reactions are really the only deterrent left to keep thieves at bay. If everyone was so laissez faire about it, well, I'd eventually expect my house to be emptied daily, and my insurance to cost about $30k a month. I get your point that theft isn't currently -that bad-, but realize that using that info to justify thievery just keeps compounding the problem.

> Violent reactions are really the only deterrent left to keep thieves at bay. This is objectively false. There are laws, which are enforced by courts, that provide sufficient deterrent. I cannot stress this enough; if you respond to property loss with violence, you deserve anything bad that happens to you.

> This is objectively false. There are laws, which are enforced by courts, that provide sufficient deterrent.

Round and round we go. The OP of this chain was correctly stating that police rarely even investigate theft.

> if you respond to property loss with violence, you deserve anything bad that happens to you.

What a horrible thing to say. I don't think I'll reply here anymore, it's obviously going nowhere good.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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And let me guess, all teachers do is hand out worksheets for 6 hours a day and why do you always see 3 constructions workers standing around a hole? But you- you cleared 1.5 story points today tying two Javascript libraries together, that's where the real value is.

In New Jersey most of the town cops make 6 figures and are in less danger than a bicyclist on public roads.

I think that speaks more about being a bicyclist on the roads of New Jersey than the dangers a cop faces.

It's funny when people complain about HN being too US-centric, when in reality it's CA,NY/NJ, and MA centric. NJ is awash in money flowing from Wall St, so I don't feel bad that their cops make a decent wage.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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> Should they be doing that for free? Serious question. If they don't provide the network: what value do the tags, you bought with money, provide?

They shouldn't be doing it for free, someone else should have an open tracking service.

And how is that going to be funded?

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a lot to unpack in this back and forth. Violent reactions are really the only deterrent left to keep thieves at bay. If everyone was so laissez faire about it, well, I'd eventually expect my house to be emptied daily, and my insurance to cost about $30k a month. I get your point that theft isn't currently -that bad-, but realize that using that info to justify thievery just keeps compounding the problem.

> Violent reactions are really the only deterrent left to keep thieves at bay. This is objectively false. There are laws, which are enforced by courts, that provide sufficient deterrent. I cannot stress this enough; if you respond to property loss with violence, you deserve anything bad that happens to you.

You do realize that law is using force. Law enforcement will uses physical force if the person they are arresting is violent or physically resisting.

This delegation is still force/violence is some form. Now unlike a private individual we hope... law enforcement does not go overboard with it.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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> Violent reactions are really the only deterrent left to keep thieves at bay. This is objectively false. There are laws, which are enforced by courts, that provide sufficient deterrent. I cannot stress this enough; if you respond to property loss with violence, you deserve anything bad that happens to you.

> This is objectively false. There are laws, which are enforced by courts, that provide sufficient deterrent. Round and round we go. The OP of this chain was correctly stating that police rarely even investigate theft. > if you respond to property loss with violence, you deserve anything bad that happens to you. What a horrible thing to say. I don't think I'll reply here anymore, it's obviously going nowhere good.

What's actually horrible is committing acts of extrajudicial violence.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Violent reactions are really the only deterrent left to keep thieves at bay. This is objectively false. There are laws, which are enforced by courts, that provide sufficient deterrent. I cannot stress this enough; if you respond to property loss with violence, you deserve anything bad that happens to you.

You do realize that law is using force. Law enforcement will uses physical force if the person they are arresting is violent or physically resisting. This delegation is still force/violence is some form. Now unlike a private individual we hope... law enforcement does not go overboard with it.

There are many more checks in place to deal with law enforcement abuse of power. It's far from perfect, but vastly superior to individual vigilante behavior.
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