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> I disagree profoundly. You say that it wasn't a war because Israel didn't lose too many people? Perhaps the aggressor should have thought about that before starting a war. Its not a war, there is no state involved, just a terror group in Gaza, conveniently left in charge there, while curiously Tsahal is perfectly capable of shutting down any uprising in the territory they want to annex (the West bank), intriguing i…
When you mention the murderous violence that drove Mizrahi Jews into Israel in the same paragraph where you mention the snobbery they faced in Israel, you're not doing much for your credibility.
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#232Lots of news about Israel today. Amnesty International just released a new report condemning Israel as an apartheid state.[1] 1. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-...
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Hopefully people here can do better than get into a flame war when provided with context for weapons technology news and if they can't then they should be down-voted and possibly flagged.
I believe he was complaining about the lack of context you provided. The dropping of the typical (and false) apartheid accusation without providing the response.
_"Do you also post Russian or North Korean responses when discussions involving these countries occur?"_
I'd extend that to America or basically any country. I can't imagine it being considered the start to a flame war if some one presents a report by a large organization with some level of reputation without providing the state's response.
If there is a report by Amnesty condemning a major issue like the amount of cronyism in all higher levels of the West and America. Or of how lobbying in the US is effectively legalized corruption. Or how [Super] PACs hurt the sanctity of democracy...for any of these things, the official US response or response from any high level of the US government is not that important.
I have a hard time imagining being told not including the official western state response is a great way to start a flame war.
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> other Palestinians opposed to the deal can 'break' it Only if Isreal reacts by declaring the peace deal with one group dead because another group fired rockets. It takes two to tango, as they say. If a gunman from Canada fired into the USA, the USA is unlikely to consider it a declaration of war and start nuking Canada!
> "Only if Isreal reacts by declaring the peace deal with one group dead because another group fired rockets. It takes two to tango, as they say." This is problematic for a number of reasons. First, it could be that the Palestinian government was actually responsible for shooting off the rockets, but were scapegoating someone else for political reasons (the internal and external messaging are very different things, a…
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> other Palestinians opposed to the deal can 'break' it Only if Isreal reacts by declaring the peace deal with one group dead because another group fired rockets. It takes two to tango, as they say. If a gunman from Canada fired into the USA, the USA is unlikely to consider it a declaration of war and start nuking Canada!
> If a gunman from Canada fired into the USA, the USA is unlikely to consider it a declaration of war and start nuking Canada! If the gunman had ties to the de-facto government and the government was unwilling/unable to arrest the gunman, i think it is likely they would. After all, wasn't that what happened with 9/11?
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Your account has unfortunately been using HN primarily for political and ideological battle. That's not allowed here, regardless of your politics or ideology. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for, so we ban accounts that do it. We've already had to warn you about this multiple times before. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN as intended from no…
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Your account has unfortunately been using HN primarily for political and ideological battle. That's not allowed here, regardless of your politics or ideology. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for, so we ban accounts that do it. We've already had to warn you about this multiple times before. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN as intended from no…
I wish there was more clarity on what this rule actually means. I can see how this particular comment would get a side-eye (though I think it doesn't stand out among the others in this thread), but when I look through my recent comments I'm having trouble figuring out the line here.
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I took another look at your comment history and I agree it's a borderline case. Still, comments like these are the sort of ideological battle thing we're asking people specifically to avoid here:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30124830
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Or maybe stop starving and killing the children living in Gaza who will then make proud soldiers of the Hamas when they grow up, repeating the endless circle of violence? And maybe stop encouraging Qatar to fund Hamas[1]? Yes, you read that right, and the source is a reputable Israeli newspaper. Hamas is a really convenient opponent for the Israeli government: they are evil, corrupt and basically harmless, but they a…
Haaretz isn't a *reputable* Israeli newspaper. The children of Gaza die because Hamas wants that to happen. And look at the demographics of those "children"--most are 16 and 17. And the only one starving children of Gaza is Hamas.
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They? Do you not see how offensive that is to group together 1.7M people like that? When if that same sort of wording happens for almost any other situation, it’s called out as wrong, which it obviously is, very quickly. There is a common dog whistle and coded word sort of stuff especially recently with China. Instead of specify the authoritarian Govt and elite in China, one may say the Chinese used to be X but now t…
> They? Do you not see how offensive that is to group together 1.7M people like that? Unfortunately, The far right Israeli actually do think that way, here's a quote from the current ministry of Interior, Ayelet Shaked > “This is not a war against terror, and not a war against extremists, and not even a war against the Palestinian Authority. The reality is that this is a war between two people. Who is the enemy? The…
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I think that's a reductionist viewpoint, both to say that if you're not a Zionist you're in favor of Israel being dismantled, and to imply that you can't be pro-Israel without being a Zionist. There's more to Zionism than being for or against the existence of Israel. I'm a progressive. I have family in Israel. I would be very upset if Israel were to cease to exist. And yet I don't agree with all Zionist principles, e…
> I think that's a reductionist viewpoint, both to say that if you're not a Zionist you're in favor of Israel being dismantled, and to imply that you can't be pro-Israel without being a Zionist. There's more to Zionism than being for or against the existence of Israel. You're really can't be pro-Israel without being a Zionist though, Israel is a Zionist state. It's like being pro American but wishing for it to be ret…
I believe we should give back some of America to Native Americans. I'm American. Pro-American. How can I not be. Doesn't change not believing that who owns what land in America in 2022 is correct.
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This is simplifying things. What does pro-America mean, for example. Pro-Israel in these instances have been defined by the other commenter and myself as supporting Israel's right to their land. Though even that gets complex as I support Israel's right to their lands. What borders though? I personally believe the borders after the Yom Kippur War including Jerusalem being for Israel is fine by me. I don't know how many others agree with the Jerusalem part or the land borders of the 70s/80s being fine. I don't believe the international community agrees with some of this like East Jerusalem.