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Israel rolls out laser defense system

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Re: Israel rolls out laser defense system

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post #22

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The difference being that with nuclear mutually assured destruction, the actual leaders are assured of their own personal destruction.

Are they? Who has the best bunkers? Who has dedicated aircraft you can live in permanently?

>Who has dedicated aircraft you can live in permanently?

permanently? Probably impossible with current technology. Your best bet is still an underground bunker. If it has to be moving you'll need something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowpiercer_(TV_series)#Premis...

Re: Israel rolls out laser defense system

#142
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This tech will be the end of MAD and the start of WW3. The only thing holding back current super powers from direct confrontation are ICBMs and MAD. Once they can be reliably shot down via lasers, then full scale war is much more likely. I understand the current tech is for much slower, much lower rockets and cruise missiles. But the tech will evolve and get better. Israel is the current test bed for high tech defens…

It's got nothing to do with MAD. Lasers can't affect MIRV re-entry vehicles in the first place. They're already designed to glow white hot during re-entry, a bit of laser energy on top of that is negligible.

Re: Israel rolls out laser defense system

#144
post #37

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It really surprises me that so many people who have seen UFO reports all their lives cite this as nothing but humorous stupidity from a politician. People who follow satellite data in order to understand global patterns of earthquakes and weather saw what looks like beams from unknown sources hitting areas that then caught fire. As with anything else this is very likely to be some kind of sensor or transmission glitc…

> People who follow satellite data in order to understand global patterns of earthquakes and weather saw what looks like beams from unknown sources hitting areas that then caught fire. What? Is there a link to any of this or is it just standard internet BS? I've heard of earthquake lights and there may be something to that. Never heard of anything focused on places that later caught fire. The fires that I am aware of…

At the time I saw the videos on YouTube postings from "dutchsinse". Why is it my job to do your research? Videos of what appear to be moving globs get people yelling about UFOs and now videos of what appear to be beams just before fires get people yelling about space lasers. Do you really think that being sloppy and full of emotion and attitude somehow makes you superior and on top of all of this? If you actually dared to read my post I posited that these were probably the usual misinterpretation of sensory or transmission glitches, but you are too scared to even look up what this is about in order to give some kind of meaningful and informed reply. All you care about is a political wingnut.

Re: Israel rolls out laser defense system

#145
post #70

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> " My best guess is the long term solution (if there is ever one attempted) will be more related to why people are motivated to launch rockets at their neighbours." The problem is that the Palestinians are a heterogeneous group. Even if the Palestinian government makes a 'peace' deal with the Israelis, other Palestinians opposed to the deal can 'break' it by shooting off a few cheap rockets. Further complicating the…

> other Palestinians opposed to the deal can 'break' it Only if Isreal reacts by declaring the peace deal with one group dead because another group fired rockets. It takes two to tango, as they say. If a gunman from Canada fired into the USA, the USA is unlikely to consider it a declaration of war and start nuking Canada!

> If a gunman from Canada fired into the USA, the USA is unlikely to consider it a declaration of war and start nuking Canada!

If the gunman had ties to the de-facto government and the government was unwilling/unable to arrest the gunman, i think it is likely they would.

After all, wasn't that what happened with 9/11?

Re: Israel rolls out laser defense system

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I have talked to some. You didn’t respond to any other parts of my post. Especially the main point I made of the listing of states in conflict where it is similarly not possible for the smaller side to wipe out the nicer one. The point of that is to show how unreasonable expecting any of those smaller states or people to ever be able to do a serious amount of damage to the stronger power. It is a stretch to say “mill…

> Especially the main point I made of the listing of states in conflict where it is similarly not possible for the smaller side to wipe out the nicer one. You're conflating the sides of the conflict here. It's not palestinians versus israelis, and it started much earlier than in 20th century. Arabs have already wiped out all the jews from their states already in 1940s — some managed to flee to Israel, but many more w…

You’ve most the goal posts and entire discussion. What do Palestinians especially in Gaza, have to do with Arabs as a whole? Your original comment specifically said Palestine. So the topic is Palestine and Israel only. And that’s what it was when I did my comment.

Also to note, Arab countries don’t care about Palestine. Egypt actively hurts Palestinians for example. Arab country leadership are awful.

Otherwise your comment is a diff topic and isn’t relevant to the treatment, destruction, and deaths of Palestine.

> Arabs have already wiped out all the jews from their states already in 1940s — some managed to flee to Israel, but many more were just killed.

Do you have any citation for this? I tried looking for numbers. I could not find any besides the general numbers of nearly 1M expelled from Arab countries. Especially the “many more were just killed”.

Re: Israel rolls out laser defense system

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> other Palestinians opposed to the deal can 'break' it Only if Isreal reacts by declaring the peace deal with one group dead because another group fired rockets. It takes two to tango, as they say. If a gunman from Canada fired into the USA, the USA is unlikely to consider it a declaration of war and start nuking Canada!

> If a gunman from Canada fired into the USA, the USA is unlikely to consider it a declaration of war and start nuking Canada! If the gunman had ties to the de-facto government and the government was unwilling/unable to arrest the gunman, i think it is likely they would. After all, wasn't that what happened with 9/11?

A US border patrol agent fired into Mexico and killed a child. The US protected the agent, and Mexico responded with a strongly worded letter[0]. I don't see any reason to believe the US would have responded with more than that either if the roles had been reversed. Most governments are perfectly capable of avoiding escalations that will lead to wars they don't want. The wars following 9/11 were wars the US government wanted and would have gotten with or without 9/11.

[0]: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-51643636

Re: Israel rolls out laser defense system

#148

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That propaganda was already spammed and flagged in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30170308

Propaganda is a strong word for truth

Truth is a strong word for propaganda. Saying nonsensical responses like that is easy.

In the thread I linked there is a rebuttal of Amnesty's propaganda:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/lapid-attacks-delusional-amnes...

Re: Israel rolls out laser defense system

#149
post #30

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Sounds like that could be gotten around by using multiple lasers.

Multiple beams creates a different problem. Say your beam is 1cm across and you are aiming at a 30cm target. All your energy is in that 1cm. You don't much care where in that 30cm it hits so long as it burns through. But with two lasers, to be effective, each beam needs to hit the same sport on the target. Instead of a 30cm target, laser #2 now has to hit the 1cm beam of the first laser.

They also need to be in phase

Re: Israel rolls out laser defense system

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> I assume this implies killing all Israelis too? Yes. > Quite a statement to make about the vast majority of Gaza citizens that can barely survive. Talk to them. Personally, I think that the reason this conflict is so misunderstood in the West is that you guys are just too distant from the cultural norms of the region, and literally can't believe that millions of people could openly and unapologetically be pro-genoc…

I agree with this. I find it amazing that the world expects Israeli leadership to ignore the stated goal of Hamas is to eradicate Israel[1]. Sometimes I ask people to imagine what it would be like if the inhabitants of a large Native American reservation began shelling a nearby US city after openly stating they will not rest until the USA is wiped from the earth. I’m choosing the Native American hypothetical advisedl…

> Sometimes I ask people to imagine what it would be like if the inhabitants of a large Native American reservation began shelling a nearby US city after openly stating they will not rest until the USA is wiped from the earth.

This is easy. They have some valid claims in principle. They also have essentially no power or weapons. After the initial surprise. They’d be able to do nothing. Or in effect nothing. If the US then removed autonomy from these Native Americans, kept them locked in, and gave them electricity equivalent for the average American (aka 1 person) for 70 of the Native Americans, and continued this for decades and decades. That would be awful and cruel from the get go. What is this example supposed to show?

> To further the analogy, imagine now that the USA is the size of New Jersey, surrounded by states that have attempted also to wipe them out, and that Americans have been enslaved, persecuted, and harried across the globe for thousands of years since leaving New Jersey under duress the most recent time.

To extend this. NJ has the backing of the most powerful country in the world and almost every first world country. NJ is also richer and more powerful than any of the neighbors except for the one farther away who coincidentally has their tragedy, that most powerful country ally screwed with their country. This doesn’t make what they country (Iran) does good. Just nuance.

The saddest part of this example is leaving out the Palestine. It’s very sad that they don’t even get to be part of the example. Though perhaps it is fitting as the Gaza Strip barely does exist as is.

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Your Israel bind is flawed. Why can’t Israel leave Palestine alone? Why do they have to incorporate Palestine into Israel? Leave the Gaza Strip alone. The one thing that shouldn’t be done is cutting the grass as Israel does now. With that being the current Israel SOP now, it muddies the water because Israel actually benefits from Hamas by having an easy excuse to cut the grass every so often.

Your last point is again flawed. As strategies like cutting the grass above, suffocating Gaza Strip, and pushing settlements further and further has nothing to do with that mentality.

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Sometimes people confuse people like me and assume I have some sort of allegiance or motive. I want harmony as it is possible. Of course the Arab country leadership and unfortunately many of their uneducated and screwed over in their own right citizens have awful reactions and thinking toward Israel.

That’s bad. So is the treatment of Gaza Strip or number of Palestinian children who have been causalities in a period of time like this century.

Israel being able to remain their own country and be prepared and strong. Nothing wrong with that! Why would there be? There are people born in Israel now who are 3rd generation now. That’s their home. If I thought any differently, that would make no sense and mean I have something against Jewish people or Israel. When I love both as much as any other country or group of people.

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