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Self-driving Tesla does 'the craziest things you can imagine'

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Post by fxtentacle »

tenpies wrote: post #10
fxtentacle wrote: post #2

Says a guy who is short on Tesla, but despite that conflict of interest, the video looks real. I mean if he had managed to modify his car firmware to make it less safe just to fake that video, that would also be a huge Tesla safety issue.

Are you long Tesla? Because we can all play this game. It's a very silly one, and I'm honestly concerned that the SEC, FCC, and other regulators have the same issue - the people who are suppose to be regulating companies have stocks, and those stocks affect their judgement in much the same way that Pelosi and other prominent politician-traders would never vote against their stock portfolios.

I just wanted to point out what I thought might be new information for some readers. I have no position on Tesla, neither short nor long. I just consider them for entertainment value :)

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Post by mikestew »

windowshopping wrote: post #168
thesausageking wrote: post #17

Abridged history of Elon's self-driving predictions: 2015: "We’re going to end up with complete autonomy, and I think we will have complete autonomy in approximately two years." 2016: "I really consider autonomous driving a solved problem, I think we are less than two years away from complete autonomy, safer than humans, but regulations should take at least another year." 2018: "I think probably by end of next year (…

I was kind of sad for me, to be honest. Between the ages of 18-26 or so I was a really big Elon Musk fan. It's hard to deny the exciting technological progress made by Tesla and SpaceX on many fronts and I hugely bought into the idea that this stemmed from him. On some level I still believe it does - he's been running both successfully for a long time so he clearly isn't utterly full of shit. But watching the autopil…

Henry Ford was a jackass. Edison: jackass. The guys in Led Zeppelin: child-molesting jackasses (well, Paige is, at least). Musk is but the latest in a long line of people who can be admired for what they have brought to the world, and...then you're better off stopping right there while enjoying your electric lightbulb, rock music, and reusable rocket ships.

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Post by jallen_dot_dev »

garbageT wrote: post #73

Disclaimer about this guy Ogan, if you track his online accounts it’s very anti-Tesla auto-pilot/self-driving. Rightfully so in some situations. Also he is a investor in a Chinese competitor to Tesla (EV and self-driving abilities). Take his words with a grain of salt.

Luckily we don't have to take his word for it, we can just watch his video with our own eyes.

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Post by jjnoakes »

nexuist wrote: post #26
jjnoakes wrote: post #11

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Who is just driving into cars at stop signs because they stop for an extra two seconds?

Ask my dad or the variety of people in your life that have had it happen to them. I guarantee you know people this has happened to. Have you never heard of getting rear ended?

> Ask my dad or the variety of people in your life that have had it happen to them

Every rear-end accident I've ever been aware of at a stop sign would have happened whether the person in front stopped for 2 seconds, 5 seconds, or 7 seconds. They were all due to the person in the back not paying attention and not driving safely. Whether the person in the front did a slow 5 second rolling stop or a 5-7 second full stop has never been relevant.

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Post by scotty79 »

jondwillis wrote: post #176
CultMember009 wrote: post #166

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I respect your honesty and encourage you to try some remedial driving lessons to avoid being a “really terrible driver.” It can save your life and others also.

I'm a great driver on a relative basis. The average is just that terrible.

It's really hard to estimate that. Vast majority of drivers believe they are better than average driver.

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Post by scotty79 »

simion314 wrote: post #172
ASalazarMX wrote: post #123

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Oh no, the children! 2025: Elon announces BabyX, in vitro baby factory, claims he's cloning any baby killed by a Tesla vehicle, for free.

>Oh no, the children! Yeah dude, not sure where you are from but there are special traffic rules related to children , like how to drive around schools, school buses and children, because children are doing stupid things and schools are marked with special signs so the driver knows to pay more attention in this area.

Adults do plenty of stupid things too. Kids just have on average larger speeds and accelerations.

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Post by jjav »

simion314 wrote: post #59
npace12 wrote: post #40

Just to clarify the current process of being able to use the Tesla FSD beta because I've seen a lot of comments by people thinking Tesla released this and cars are now just driving around without a human driver: 1. pay $12k or $200/mo 2. Opt-in for beta. Drive over 100-200 miles and maintain a 98%+ "safety score" until you're selected (could be months) 3. Manually activate FSD each time you want to use it 4. Keep han…

Should this be legal? Some rich Tesla fanboy beta testing buggy software with a misleading name of autopilot or FSD ont he streets where your children walk? I am not aware of such laws but they shoudl exist, otherwise other companies can start alpha testing with random fanboys.

> Should this be legal?

It should not be legal, to do testing on public streets with unwilling participants.

Tesla should be required to be able to enable this only in closed areas where access is limited to those participating in the testing.

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Post by jjav »

millzlane wrote: post #173
CultMember009 wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I respect your honesty and encourage you to try some remedial driving lessons to avoid being a “really terrible driver.” It can save your life and others also.

All the remedial driving lessons in the world can't prevent you from making a mistake and killing someone.

If you mean prevent 100%, of course not since nothing is absolute.

But driving skill training can most certainly greatly increase your skills and awareness and thus immensely reduce your risk of mistakes.

Anyone who drives should take as many car control and accident avoidance clinics as they can and refresh up every few years (if not more). These should really be required by law but since they're not, you can increase your odds of living by being proactive about it.

It's weird that this is somehow controversial for car driving. For e.g. airplane pilots there is a long and strict training and skill maintenance routine, because obviously this makes for safer pilots. You don't just get to read a booklet and go flying.

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Post by throwaway2016a »

FireBeyond wrote: post #186
throwaway2016a wrote: post #39

The driver probably has it in "assertive" mode. Outside of assertive mode it is actually annoyingly conservative. So much so that I often take manual control at turns to avoid impatient drivers honking at me as it inches through the intersection. With that said, I hate driving in Boston, so much so whenever I go there I park outside the city and take the T (subway) the rest of the way. I would not turn on FSD in Bost…

I "love" that your options are "annoyingly conservative" or "view road laws as optional".

There is an even more conservative option I haven't tried yet...

But to be fair, New Englander's are terribly impatient. Many of our ideas of road etiquette include: no loitering at a light for more than 0.25s after it turns green. And "yellow means speed up."

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Post by avs733 »

JaimeThompson wrote: post #165
avs733 wrote: post #147

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Personal opinion...FSD won't work within the existing paradigm largely because driving is a social experience not purely a technical one. It could, and should, be made to work in CONCERT with infrastructure changes to enable and support it. All new roads should be built with systems in place to help FSD cars succeed. Infrastructure spending should be used to help fix and redesign and systematize areas where FSD cars…

I think musk would fight that as he, as of late, seems to be against such subsidies and assistance that would help firms not Tesla.

what Musk wants/will do is largely irrelevant to the eventual success of self driving vehicles. pardon the use of his pet acronym FSD but what will make the technology, not Tesla, successful is a build environment that a car can interact with more reliably as well as a car that can interrogate the built environment more effectively.

Both are important. A long range RFID tag in every road sign means I don't need a camera to read it, and it can't fail in snow. Magnetic nails[1] in the highway that can aid with high speed lane positioning information absolutely beats the camera on my Volvo that struggles to see white lines when driving into the sun.

[1] https://trid.trb.org/view/574206

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