I think one of the assertions here is wrong. "One in a hundred can double your salary". It's more like "if you are the 1 in a hundred who is tragically underpaid to the point where a double in salary is at all a possibility, then yes, talk to recruiters".
Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter
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Re: Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter
#562Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I don't have a professional network per se, just a bunch of friends I clicked with at various companies. You might not want to label it as such, but that is exactly what a professional network is. People can genuinely be your friends and still be part of your network.
Eh, I find work "friends" to be even more ephemeral than school friends. Nobody I've ever worked with in the past has ever contacted me after I left the company we worked for. At least school friends are around for a more or less guaranteed period of several years. Edit to add: I have initiated contact before and been well received. Nobody contacts me. It's tiring to have to do 100% of the work to maintain these rela…
Can confirm. I've seen at previous jobs that some cliques do form, especially among high-rising careerist or very social folks. Other people just don't intermingle that much and are sidelined.
Maintaining contact happens rarely. And no, a linkedin add doesn't count at maintaining contact if the last private message was exchanged on the last day of work.
I suspect there's a sort of introvert / extrovert miss match.
Re: Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter
#563Earlier quoted context omitted.
I quite honestly think that general direct-dial telephony is only a few years from catastrophic collapse, not for technical reasons, but because people will simply defect from the system. There are too many nuisance calls, there are too many people (and businesses) falling for scams, and there seems to be nothing telcos or governments are willing to do about it. It's pretty much the same thing that's happened to Usen…
I haven't received any robocall, cold sales attempt or spam SMS in years. I'm also EU based, maybe it's another side effect of non-existant privacy laws in US?
It's probably a number of factors:
- The US remains relatively high income / high wealth. Especially among the more vulnerable senior population.
- The regulatory environment in the US hasn't been successful, or much interested from appearances, in taking on spam.
- Uniform language. Virtually the entire country speaks a single language, English. That's roughly 300 million targets (minor children generally wouldn't count). The largest single European nationality would be Germany, with a total population of 84 million. It's not even possible to necessarily presume an entire country speaks one language, as with Switzerland. And though computer-generated calls are increasing in prevalence, most still use human speakers.
Effectively, it's opportunity, mechanism, and logistics.
But as costs fall and voice-processing (both comprehension and realtime generation) improve, I'd suggest increasing your vigilence around telephone hygiene.
Re: Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter
#564Most of the recruiter traffic comes from LinkedIn, which is not particularly surprising. The very first line of my profile there reads: Please do not contact me about cryptocurrency, blockchain, NFTs, or associated technologies. Almost all recruiters who contact me on LinkedIn are talking about... cryptocurrency, blockchains, or NFTs etc. If a recruiter isn't prepared to read even the first line of my profile then I…
I told a recruiter I wasn't interested in crypto jobs and they laughed at me and said I was crazy. Pay must be high...
Well if you want money, 500k/yr is very possible.
Re: Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter
#565Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "Hey ____. Before we move forward, can you provide me with the company name, a job description, and the expected compensation. Regards" I've found that this makes 80-90% of recruiters go completely silent. For some reason, asking for this basic information scares off the vast majority of recruiters. I'm genuinely unsure what I - or they - get out of dragging this out into a screenful of blah blah blah.
One of the most common reasons is simply that they don't want you to go direct to the company in question and bypass their commission. If they give you too much, it is very easy to do and many companies will recruit directly and the recruiter would have no legal basis to do anything about that. On the other hand, because of commission, it is in the recruiter's interest to get you as much money as possible so you migh…
that all depends on the contract setup with the company and recruiter. i've worked at places that had exclusivity contracts with recruiters where we wouldn't even post the positions in hr until the contract expired.
Re: Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter
#566Earlier quoted context omitted.
Privilege: being lucky enough to be born/raised in the right circumstances
Still two different things. I come from a poor family. Nothing was handed to me on a silver platter. My career is a function of passion, hard work and luck. Not privilege. It makes my blod boil whenever I hear this privilege nonsense.
The problem with this conversation is that people feel attacked by the term, like it undermines the hard work they've done or their intelligence. It doesn't necessarily mean everything was handed to you on a silver platter. It's ok to acknowledge the ways in which you were dealt a good hand (if, in fact, you were).
Re: Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter
#567Earlier quoted context omitted.
I quite honestly think that general direct-dial telephony is only a few years from catastrophic collapse, not for technical reasons, but because people will simply defect from the system. There are too many nuisance calls, there are too many people (and businesses) falling for scams, and there seems to be nothing telcos or governments are willing to do about it. It's pretty much the same thing that's happened to Usen…
I haven't received any robocall, cold sales attempt or spam SMS in years. I'm also EU based, maybe it's another side effect of non-existant privacy laws in US?
I’m also in the EU and received a spam SMS not even five minutes ago. I get maybe one a year, so your point stands. Cold sales attempts used to be more frequent, but after blocking a handful of numbers they stopped.
Re: Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter
#568Earlier quoted context omitted.
Does the baseline matter though? If I’m not switching for less than 1.2x does it matter if they know what $current pay is? Either they can offer it or they can’t?
What if they were willing to offer 1.5x and you suggested, and ended up with, 1.2x because you were the first to provide a number? That's the risk of going first.
The question wasn't about whether one should go first here, the question was whether if I make $100k should say either
a) "I make $100k today and I want at least 20% more which is $120k"
vs
b) "I want at least $120k"
The difference there is a lot less obvious. Of course, in the second you might have a minuscule chance of them offering way over $120k whereas in a you would not.
Re: Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter
#569Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's your suggestion on fostering relationships with recruiters? I do ignore the vast majority of contacts due to the sheer overload of them, I don't have the energy or time to parse through each message and see if it's worth pursuing the recruiter in the future or not. My CV is no unicorn, I have a lot of experience in different roles and company sizes but I'm not a deep specialist or a very sought after technolog…
The article's methods are actually quite good. You should ignore most of the recruiter contacts - if the recruiter approaches you for a job that is clearly not a fit for your background, I'd dismiss that person as either not respectful of your time or incompetent, and both are good reasons to ignore that person down the road. If you're getting a fair amount of incoming traffic, you're already optimized for discovery,…
One thing that's contradictory to what you've said that's caused me to ignore recruiters is that they misrepresent the opportunity even when the criteria doesn't match up. I've dealt with a few that I've told "this doesn't fit my criteria" and they're very insistent that the company is looking for people, not skills, and I should interview anyway. Ultimately this is a lie and I'll end up wasting everyone's time. I've done probably 30 interviews via recruiter and never landed a single position. All my positions have been the result of me just applying directly or through referrals.
Re: Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter
#570I feel like throwing it in their face that lots of recruiters reach out to you is unnecessary.
I also suspect asking for company name will scare off most recruiters because if you go around them, they dont get paid.
They do say keep interviewing to keep the skill sharp. So perhaps there is something to be said here.
Here's the one I got today, when I try to reply it just says 'you're replying to a mailing list' so really I'm nobody to this one.
>I am reaching out to see if you would be interested in exploring Executive Level opportunities. >I have reviewed your LinkedIn profile and found your skills and experience to be impressive and relevant to the job position.
>If you are interested in learning more about our company and the position, we would love to set up a quick phone call. We would be pleased to answer any questions you may have and give you all the details about the job.
>Please reply to this email with an updated copy of your resume.
There's no way he 'reviewed my linkedin' while also just mailing list form. In fact if I look at it. The mailing form only really has $FIRSTNAME and that's about as much effort as they put in.
Yet they want me to produce an updated resume and join a quick call? Oh man that's asking.