Horrible email response: long-winded, cringe-inducing, poorly structured.
Just state clearly what kind of information you need in order to continue the conversation (or not). Even a simple "what's the pay like" would be more effective.
Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter
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Re: Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter
#352Earlier quoted context omitted.
I always ask where do they have this number from. One time the guy told me that the person who referred me "preferred to remain anonymous". I asked him if he realised that this is a violation of GDPR and that a typical candidate would recognize it as such? No coherent answer.
I've more than once asked a cold-call recruiter how they got my number where the answer has been a rather candid, "there are markets for such information". Kinda makes me regret the few years my LinkedIn profile had my phone number public, but I do wonder how successful these questionable personal data marketplaces are. I certainly haven't had a conversation get beyond "this is spam".
Check out http://intelx.io, depending on your risk tolerances, putting your email and phone number in yet another search bar may not be in the cards. If you can swallow it though, depending if (1) anything you care about has been leaked at all and (2) anything you care about being leaked has been indexed by this site...the results may be illuminating. Or nothing at all.
Interesting resource nonetheless that supplements my day-to-day line of Devsecops.
This site and a few other OSINT tools was how I discovered who 'sold out' my CV to some of the questionable 'recruiting agencies'.
Re: Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter
#353Strong disagree. I've made it my policy to never work with a recruiter that isn't affiliated with the company they're hiring for. Recruiting farms like Cyber Recruiters (yuck) will do everything in their power to waste your time out of sheer incompetence and disinterest. I've "doubled" my salary plenty of times through this policy. But the real secret sauce is referrals. Companies always prioritize a strong referral,…
> I've "doubled" my salary plenty of times through this policy.
Let say you started at 50k (which is very low) and you doubled your salary 4 times (what is plenty ?). Then you make now 800k. Which is unlikely, so your main argument is probably wrong
Re: Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter
#354Strong disagree. I've made it my policy to never work with a recruiter that isn't affiliated with the company they're hiring for. Recruiting farms like Cyber Recruiters (yuck) will do everything in their power to waste your time out of sheer incompetence and disinterest. I've "doubled" my salary plenty of times through this policy. But the real secret sauce is referrals. Companies always prioritize a strong referral,…
> I've "doubled" my salary plenty of times through this policy. Meanwhile, I doubled my salary by responding to a recruiter. Though FWIW, I was actively looking for new work at the time.
Well, let's be honest - when you're just starting out, making $50,000/year, you can probably double your salary in one jump. If you're making $200,000/year, you're not going to double your salary, recruiter or not.
Re: Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter
#355Every time I read something about recruiters, I am reminded of this fantastic post [1] (sadly the original has been taken down, and this is the only copy I know of).
Anyone who has ever experienced third party recruiters in the UK will be nodding their head along after just the first few paragraphs...
[1]: https://gist.github.com/CumpsD/696599d1bd4cd472a056586967293...
Re: Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter
#356No thanks. Most cold callers these days don't even work for the company. They always seem to say "I'm recruiting for an esteemed/up and coming/potential unicorn (lol)/hot/aggressively funded/blah blah blah company". I've bitten a few times and asked for details about said company and they say they want a call first.
No thanks. Tell me about the position first. Then I'll tell you if I'm interested.
Re: Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter
#357Strong disagree. I've made it my policy to never work with a recruiter that isn't affiliated with the company they're hiring for. Recruiting farms like Cyber Recruiters (yuck) will do everything in their power to waste your time out of sheer incompetence and disinterest. I've "doubled" my salary plenty of times through this policy. But the real secret sauce is referrals. Companies always prioritize a strong referral,…
There are 3 types of recruiters: 1. Internal company recruiters. They couldn't care less about contacting you directly unless things have changed in today's market (My last interaction with in house recruiter was circa 2010). 2. Scummy recruiting farms where they hire a bunch of people on commissions and they spam anyone and everyone 3. Recruiters who actually have relationships with a customer, prospect good candida…
I got my current job through an internal company recruiter. He's the best I've ever seen in this business -- the introduction was extremely well targeted, the process was very low-pressure, and he's measured on the long-term success of the people he brings in.
He spent time explaining the role, the skills, and the goals, and offered feedback throughout the process.
Re: Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter
#358Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not GP but I can’t shake that it feels rude, even if expected. But more practically: if I decline after the first, I don’t get the other 4 emails they have queued up for me
I can tell Amazon isn't banging down your door. Seriously, it's insane how no one at Amazon Recruiting talks to anyone else in Amazon Recruiting.
Amazon is getting ridiculous. I get an email from them almost every day
Re: Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter
#359TLDR
- everything is signal, even/especially noise in aggregate - engineers are particularly subject to blind spots - know yourself - ymmv
Re: Career advice nobody gave me: Never ignore a recruiter
#360I'm very impressed with your ycombinator skills.