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Re: Please make a dumb car

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Post by throwaway_4ever »

asdff wrote: post #517
throwaway_4ever wrote: post #352

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've got that backwards. Prius weren't cool all the way until 2014, around the time environmental status symbol transferred to EV's and the used Prius started becoming very economical. Certain half of the political spectrum wouldn't be caught dead in them before hand and every other Hollywood movie had a cringy joke lambasting or praising them. Now they're just seen as a reliable financially savvy vehicles, not ver…

2000s priuses were very cool amongst the aging boomer-hippy population. When they first came out it was a big deal to be in the school pickup line with your prius. You probably also shopped at organic grocery stores like whole foods (before the AMZN purchase), and just transitioned from pilates to yoga. Southpark even made an episode about the phenomenon.

When something is in the entire public sphere, it feels off to call it "cool" when it only appeals to a certain small subgroup. At that time, the much larger general population had the opposite take on them. It's like calling Dungeons N' Dragons "cool" because nerds and geeks liked it a lot.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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Post by eternityforest »

Screens are cheaper than physical. They also have less to break(Assuming it's all done correctly).

Why not just get better UI designers instead of perpetuating the idea of using more physical resources than necessary and not getting safety features like backup cameras?

Re: Please make a dumb car

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Post by yencabulator »

boring_twenties wrote: post #570
yencabulator wrote: post #321

My Jeep Wrangler is the kind of a vehicle you can leave out in the rain without the top, exposed to the elements. Floors have drain plugs, and there's very little electronics where water could intrude. The car stereo is visibly not worth stealing, and if it breaks at most I would take it out to have a new storage cubby. It's very refreshing to own.

I would love one of those but even before the pandemic, clapped out examples from the late 90's with over 100k miles were going for $10-15k++. At least in my area. I'm like, weren't these things $15k brand new?

Jeeps hold their value crazy well, at least outside of road salt rust prone regions. Even after the engine blows, some enthusiast will still buy the frame and swap in a monster engine.

I paid $15k for an '08 in 2017, and would not sell it below $15k even without the COVID car shortage price bump.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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Post by esalman »

throwaway_4ever wrote: post #581
asdff wrote: post #517

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2000s priuses were very cool amongst the aging boomer-hippy population. When they first came out it was a big deal to be in the school pickup line with your prius. You probably also shopped at organic grocery stores like whole foods (before the AMZN purchase), and just transitioned from pilates to yoga. Southpark even made an episode about the phenomenon.

When something is in the entire public sphere, it feels off to call it "cool" when it only appeals to a certain small subgroup. At that time, the much larger general population had the opposite take on them. It's like calling Dungeons N' Dragons "cool" because nerds and geeks liked it a lot.

It is the nerds and geeks who like Tesla the most.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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Post by fswd »

jjav wrote: post #468
stillsut wrote: post #179

I went car shopping this year in the new market and found that that if you want more a "dumb" car (UX occurs primarily outside of a touchscreen, no internet, no geolocation) you lose all potential for any nice non-smart features. So no heated/powered seats, no power windows, the material of the interior is refurbished from a spirit airlines airplane, etc. I think manufacturers are hoping that certain aspects of the m…

> I wonder how well my car will age when miscellaneous sensor all over the car start failing. I predict that 50 years from now there will be more functioning cars from the 1960s than from the 2020s. With the combination of quickly obsoleting technology that won't be fixable and overly interconnected electronics that become impossible to diagnose after a while, there's not much hope for current and future cars to be a…

every month I'm breaking a sensor in my 2004 dodge. It's been about $300 every other month in mechanic fees. I've got two new ones right now. They got rid of relays and are using some kind of FET for some sensors, lights, switches. Some of the sensors are catastrophic (won't drive or drives extremely dangerous). For whatever reason dodge decided to get rid of the throttle cable and go with a two sensor and servo. If it fails, no mechanic will touch it. I took it out and cleaned it, and it just started working. Ghost in the machine.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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Post by garyfirestorm »

loudthing wrote: post #282
stillsut wrote: post #179

I went car shopping this year in the new market and found that that if you want more a "dumb" car (UX occurs primarily outside of a touchscreen, no internet, no geolocation) you lose all potential for any nice non-smart features. So no heated/powered seats, no power windows, the material of the interior is refurbished from a spirit airlines airplane, etc. I think manufacturers are hoping that certain aspects of the m…

In the US in May of 2018, a federal law went into effect saying all new cars require a backup camera. This means that there needs to be an LCD screen visible to the driver for the camera. This is sort of a slippery slope as far as feature creep. Now that you have this screen, aren't drivers going to expect to see something on it 99% of the time when they aren't backing up? Actually this leads me to realize why some a…

It’s being done by all big-3 automakers. It’s probably a supplier that supplies those mirrors.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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Post by unixbane »

Cars went to shit when they got ECUs. Idiots defend it and anything like it because "it saves lives" "saves the environment" or whatever, but they don't know anything and haven't looked at the details themselves for even one second. Prime example: Dieselgate, they thought something or someone was being saved, but absolutely nothing was. Even this stupid article says "X & Y saves lives". Fuck off. Actually, this reminds me how a city is just a bunch of roads designed for these trash technology for people who think they are wealthy to make use of, with no provisions for people who want to just walk places (e.g 3 mile long stretches of private property with no way to get through them without risking getting arrested).

Re: Please make a dumb car

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Post by pxmpxm »

hahamrfunnyguy wrote: post #476
jhoechtl wrote: post #462

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not like to ride a bike at 0 °C. Buses are fine, waiting for the bus at 0 °C not so. But yeah, owning a car which is only used 1% of it's lifetime is pretty laughable and actually prohibitive.

What's wrong with riding a bike in 0 °C weather? When dressed for the weather riding in the cold weather can be quite enjoyable as long as the roads are clear or your bike has appropriate tires.

Points like the above is pretty much why these sorts of ideas are a dead end in a place with disposable income.

If you objectively think that riding a bicycle with two sets of clothes on your back in the dead of winter is as convenient as driving, you've are either delusional or have never actually been inside of an automobile.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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Post by pxmpxm »

systemvoltage wrote: post #487
sinab wrote: post #440

What I hate about "car discourse" like this is the apparent blindness to public transportation. Trains, bikes, buses, and street cars solve almost every problem that the author complains about. The only outstanding problem, however, is that American infrastructure has been deliberately designed solely around the car. Those who suggest alternative modes of public transportation are immediately written off as "impracti…

What!? I have friends that live in Switzerland and value having a car. Wait until people realize that Europe has millions of cars. It’s not to downplay PT, which is awesome as well but this is just a delusion. If anything, this is a distraction from real UX issues with cars. Classic switcheroo - “Lets not focus on improving cars because public transportation”. Infuriating, as if car UI/UX wasn’t infuriating enough!

Fellow European here, these threads almost universally originate from people that were born and raised in upper middle class US suburbia; there seems to be this odd narrative with that crowd that Europeans all actually prefer the inconvenience of mass transit or dealing with weather/snow/whatever because reasons.

Meanwhile in reality, diesel runs the equivalent of 8-9 dollars a gal, cars are heavily regulated (mandatory inspections, required snow tires, much more stringent licensing) and medieval city planning didn't really take parking into account...

Re: Please make a dumb car

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Post by ctf1er »

MonaroVXR wrote: post #574
ctf1er wrote: post #386

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I bought an aftermarket camera that's like ford's, but it just slips over the old mirror. Thing is great, shoots 4k and is not integrated to the car's system. Also has voice commands, so its super easy to use the real mirror or any other functions. Screen in the mirror is the way.

Can you show me the camera and how it's integrated in the car?

It's a Kingslim DL12 and is powered through the cigarette lighter or directly connected.
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