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Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by stragies »

sneak wrote: post #549
EricE wrote: post #477

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Ugh - reenforces why I am babying the crap out of my existing "dumb" cars and have zero intentions of getting a new car any time soon - if ever!

The safety innovations in new cars are great. The BT/Wi-Fi and GSM radios can be physically removed or disabled.

Don't you then loose the validity of the "road worthiness certificate"? That would thus equate to operating a multi-ton unlicensed machine in public. I would expect it to be called "reckless endangerment" at least, if they catch you with disabled eCall.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by formerly_proven »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #551
hda111 wrote: post #507

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With the current WiFi connected Miele laundry machines you can use the app to pause and add more laundry.

but why? I mean if I'm doing laundry I'm within 50 ft of the machine generally? I have never needed to do such an operation or can think of a situation where the added complexity merits the addition of wifi and security threats of a Russian hacker trying to mine etherium on my dish washer.

I can't claim to know every Miele there is but both an early 80s and an early 2010s Miele has pause/continue buttons. On the 2010 one it even looks like a play-pause button.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by stjohnswarts »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #259
nsxwolf wrote: post #247

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Was that intended to be ironic?

Nope, that's how you're "supposed" to use them. Seriously, you too can save a bunch of electricity and wasted time by pre-washing stuff before putting it in the dishwasher. I do agree that it sounds like satire, though.

I never do, and my dishwasher works fine? What am I doing wrong? Why would I "prewash" and waste precious water and time when it's going to be washed just fine?

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by UncleMeat »

fsflover wrote: post #554
UncleMeat wrote: post #530

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> You don't have to be a programmer to benefit from free software. The latter simply removes the monopoly of the software developers and allows alternative developers to work for you if you pay them. And where is this font of developers writing replacements for abandoned free software? We've had decades of GPL software. The number of people who have actually used this lever is incredibly small.

> The number of people who have actually used this lever is incredibly small. Where can I go to a shop and buy, e.g., a laptop with Linux? It's practically impossible. I guess it's because the monopolies don't allow anyone to enter the market. In practice, Linux is already better for many use cases.

Huh? Linux is free. You can stick it on every laptop with just a USB stick.

I also have no idea how this is related to the fact that almost no actual consumers are taking advantage of GPL code to continue to maintain their products beyond support offered by their developers. If anything, this would be evidence that GPL software isn't a panacea since doing something as basic as installing Linux is far beyond the capacity of most consumers.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

mikro2nd wrote: post #361
xnyan wrote: post #307

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I have to sort-of disagree with you! I've used 100s of dishwashers (used to work at a test lab) and Miele dishwashers are indisputably "better" (more on that below) than anything else on the consumer market, and I would be completely willing to bet you a nice dinner that you would agree after using one. Same for their vacuums, they are on a completely different level of performance than anything else I've used. All t…

Maybe... uh... get rid of the carpets in favour of your choice of flooring?

If you are renting that might not be an option

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

jcelerier wrote: post #491
watwut wrote: post #319

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It is super easy on all I have seen. There is button which adds either 30min or 1 hour (depending on model) to delay when I press it. That is it, press it until delay is what you want.

> press it until delay is what you want. yes and then it accelerates and you go over the time you wanted and you have to wait for a whole 24:00 loop to reach the correct time again

Is this a real problem? You generally need 1-4 clicks, do you loose count?

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

ChrisLomont wrote: post #541
EricE wrote: post #484

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lol - few designers have the electronics backgrounds to design circuits without microprocessors. Doesn't mean they are still the best answer for all situations. And comparing a car to a dishwasher is more than a bit silly.

>Doesn't mean they are still the best answer for all situations. Red herring. No one claimed all situations except you. >And comparing a car to a dishwasher is more than a bit silly. I didn't claim they're the same. I illustrated, correctly, that a microprocessor allows better analysis of sensor data than oldschool analog systems could. If old analog systems provided the functionality or cost savings a microprocessor…

"If old analog systems provided the functionality or cost savings a microprocessor could, then those would be used."

This is a circular argument - if there was a better method for banks to access customer credit worthiness, they would be using that methodology. Wait, what do you mean global economy collapsed because of subprime loans?

God created the best possible world, because if better world would be possible then god would create that world instead. What, BigBrain, you think you can suggest an improvement to God's design and millions of years of evolution? You want separate holes to eating and drinking so that a million people don't choke to death every year?

With that logic no criticism of the existing system can be made, you don't even have to engage with veracity of any of the claims made by the poster and can reject his argument wholesale.

This poster is not interested in cost savings for the manufacturer, he is interested in claims about MCU making dishwasher more efficient. With engines we have recorded MPG improvements.

What improvements have materialised for diahwasher?

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

hungryforcodes wrote: post #170
buro9 wrote: post #5

Looks like a Miele. That menu can be exited (the image where it says "Software Update", the tiny bit on the right... that's a scroll bar of multiple options including the ability to exit this menu), but it does imply that the dishwasher is already connected to Wi-Fi and that it has determined that there is an update available. There are few times that a dishwasher is interacted with, if not when you go into the menu…

"the Wi-Fi is useful... the dishwasher auto-doses the powder, rinse aid, salt, etc... and can let me know the levels of those." I do appreciate your respect for the usefulness of this functionality -- I just throw my laundry in the machine, press ON and then press START, throw in a random amount of soap and 60 minutes later or so I have clean clothes.

Okay, but how is wifi involved in this process? We've had these machines for close to 100 years, they didn't get enough time to get a working alorythm?

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Post by brokenmachine »

hda111 wrote: post #505
formerly_proven wrote: post #250

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Miele (and BSH) is really good at industrial design in my experience so I'd be surprised if they'd do something like that. However, I also don't really see a particular reason why a dishwasher needs WiFi. Do people actually like... check on them and come running to unload it when it's done? I suppose for checking if it needs dishwasher salt or rinse aid it could make sense but ... eh

I would find it useful to check whether the dishwasher is currently running. At least BSH has models without any indication outside where the dishwasher is fully hidden behind a frame.

How do you set the wifi password if there's no screen that is capable of showing information?

If it has a screen then surely it's possible to show its current status.

Or, and bear with me because this is a really crazy idea... how about a single LED to show it's busy?

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Post by brokenmachine »

sshagent wrote: post #208
nsxwolf wrote: post #192

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Every dishwasher I've ever used, your best bet is to put everything on full blast, least efficient settings. Otherwise the dishes get "almost" clean. I always imagine the engineers standing around patting themselves on the back after testing, and marveling how their ideas worked so well most of the dishes got clean. The dishes all need to be totally clean, every time, or it's useless to me.

Isn't this the truth. Over Christmas family was around and someone loaded the dishwater and put it on economical or whatever the 'easy wash' mode was called, i chuckled knowing they might as well waved the dirty dishes in the sky for an equilavent wash. Its like, why are the other options even there...Intensive wash, every time.

Probably also depends on if or how carefully you rinse before putting stuff in there.

I rinse things pretty well beforehand and use quick wash and it works well.

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