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Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Post by Drdrdrq »

rsync wrote: post #489
patrickk wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can't even buy appliances designed perform their function well You can't research good appliances either online, because the SERPs are stuffed with SEO-ed blogs and sometimes industry magazines, monetized with Amazon affiliates or other networks, with titles like "5 best dishwashers in 2022". Unless you know someone in the industry or offline with knowledge you don't know what to buy. This is noticeable in many…

"This is noticeable in many other consumer goods verticals, e.g. good luck researching decent home gym equipment that is durable and not overpriced with fat margins." I agree with you but there's a simple shortcut you can employ: purchase commercial/industrial models that you see being used in industry . Gym equipment is a good example: your local, serious weightlifting gym is probably using Hammer Strength plate-loa…

> TV: NEC P461 commercial display - I found the model number by climbing behind the arrivals/departures board at the airport.

Huh. Trying to imagine someone doing that and not getting detained. "I just wanted to read the model number, officer, I swear!"

Other than that, good advice. :)

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Post by throwaway743 »

marcodiego wrote: post #278

I wanted to show a video on YouTube to a friend. He passed me his cellphone. I searched and found the video and then something very strange happened: a completely unrelated something started playing. I said "Sorry I don't know what is this. This has nothing to do with what I wanted to show you." He then explained me that was just an advertisement and the video would play soon. People are used to abuse. My internet is…

Use the Vanced app. It's ad free youtube

Edit: https://vancedapp.com/

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Post by DesiLurker »

parsd wrote: post #130

I've started to think about it differently. I no longer use any ad blockers. I actually want to experience the web (and its decline) the way it is, to take it all in, feel the pain and strengthen my patience in the process. Also, when I visit a website that is truly obnoxious with its ads, I simply leave immediately and never go there. You build your own filter of bad actors, behaviors, and concrete sites. You don't…

doesnt works for me, the only places I disable my adblocker is basically financial websites & healthcare related stuff. other than that it is all off.

Another thing is, since these adblock extensions get cleartext view of all the site you visit, you really want them to be completely open sourced. So only ublock origin for me.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Post by hbgl »

pwython wrote: post #473
marcodiego wrote: post #278

I wanted to show a video on YouTube to a friend. He passed me his cellphone. I searched and found the video and then something very strange happened: a completely unrelated something started playing. I said "Sorry I don't know what is this. This has nothing to do with what I wanted to show you." He then explained me that was just an advertisement and the video would play soon. People are used to abuse. My internet is…

Just curious, if you owned YouTube with an overhead of tens of millions of dollars per year, how would you monetize it without ads/commercials, just to even keep up with operational costs?

By building a profile of each user based on their viewing history and then when they use the search engine that I also own I would show them personalized results with sponsored links to products to buy. Plus I would be selling that information to third parties. And then I would of course also show some ads to all of the the normies that surf without an adblocker.

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Post by marcodiego »

throwaway743 wrote: post #522
marcodiego wrote: post #278

I wanted to show a video on YouTube to a friend. He passed me his cellphone. I searched and found the video and then something very strange happened: a completely unrelated something started playing. I said "Sorry I don't know what is this. This has nothing to do with what I wanted to show you." He then explained me that was just an advertisement and the video would play soon. People are used to abuse. My internet is…

Use the Vanced app. It's ad free youtube Edit: https://vancedapp.com/

I use NewPipe.

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Post by withinboredom »

hattmall wrote: post #242
bambax wrote: post #94

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The funny part is I remember a time when even on HN the majority defended ads for a myriad of reasons, and one of those reasons was that people actually liked ads and wanted them. This line of reasoning has completely disappeared from the mainstream. I think that's a problem for the ad companies. They have not yet lost the war, but it seems they have lost the argument.

There was a time when I purposely unblocked Facebook ads because they were actually showing me some interesting content and products in a fairly non-invasive way. And occasionally I still get those but lately almost all ads I see are some interesting headline that then takes me to a page with an for nonsense products every paragraph and an extremely fluffy article to tell me that dinosaurs had feathers / the Romans h…

Yeah, I remember good ads there. Used to be the only reason I went on Facebook. I just checked to see what ads it would show these days. They were terrible and 4-5 of them had some hilarious typos in them.

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Post by yunwal »

elkos wrote: post #499
rsync wrote: post #489

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"This is noticeable in many other consumer goods verticals, e.g. good luck researching decent home gym equipment that is durable and not overpriced with fat margins." I agree with you but there's a simple shortcut you can employ: purchase commercial/industrial models that you see being used in industry . Gym equipment is a good example: your local, serious weightlifting gym is probably using Hammer Strength plate-loa…

But how the industry pulls that off? They do open calls for equipment and buy in bulk?

It's the market for lemons problem. If it's your job, it's worth it to learn all you need to know to differentiate between junk and quality. If you're buying one of the 75 different appliances in your home, you'll probably just look at a review site, which can easily be gamed by companies selling junk.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Post by judge2020 »

xyst wrote: post #492
judge2020 wrote: post #144

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Premium views help a lot more than ad-supported views for creators, on the scale of 10-20x the payout per-view[0,1] (and it pays out regardless of the advertiser friendliness rating). This has been a hot topic lately[2,3], but at what point is you watching YouTube for years without ads, without paying for Premium, ethically stealing or "piracy"? YouTube was buying petabytes of Hard Drive storage a day in 2012 to keep…

It's insane to me that people are arguing in favor of the advertisement companies simply because they pay the content creators a sliver of what they accept from the companies that use their ad platform. Here's my take. It's not "piracy" or "ethical piracy" (what the fuck?). The content creators put it out on YT with the expectation that it will get viewed. The little money they receive now is simply a bonus. It's onl…

The price of things don't have to be represented in dollar amounts. If I want to give you a free iPad for watching my 2 hour lecture, I don't expect you to put on some sunglasses and take a nap for 1 hour 55 minutes. If you do that, I don't have to give you that iPad even if you sued me for it.

Piracy in general is just 'unauthorized use'[0]. YouTube requires you watch ads to use their website, so not doing that is piracy. The only reason there's no consequences for adblock are because (A) it'd be bad optics and bad PR to sue regular viewers, and (B) YouTube sees the value of subsidizing those who block ads as a plus, since it means they can keep their tight grip on where 'everyone' goes to watch videos and thus where creators are required to upload if they want people to see their stuff. If they blocked ~37% [1] of viewers with adblock, different services more lenient to ad blockers (at first) would be able to actually attract viewers and perhaps get the content creators to start dual-uploading their content.

0: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/piracy

1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30151590

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Post by marcodiego »

pwython wrote: post #473
marcodiego wrote: post #278

I wanted to show a video on YouTube to a friend. He passed me his cellphone. I searched and found the video and then something very strange happened: a completely unrelated something started playing. I said "Sorry I don't know what is this. This has nothing to do with what I wanted to show you." He then explained me that was just an advertisement and the video would play soon. People are used to abuse. My internet is…

Just curious, if you owned YouTube with an overhead of tens of millions of dollars per year, how would you monetize it without ads/commercials, just to even keep up with operational costs?

I don't think everything needs to be monetized. I wouldn't monetize it, I'd use a p2p protocol like peertube.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Post by stjohnswarts »

gzer0 wrote: post #250
armchairhacker wrote: post #198

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I type "reddit" after the query and Reddit usually has good recommendations. Yes, advertisers can and do try to invade subreddits posing as "real" users to promote sham products. But I haven't seen this actually working: sometimes Redditors recommend products which are way too expensive (still good quality, but the extra price really isn't worth it), but if someone recommends a genuinely crappy product, they get down…

I used to type “reddit” after my searches to look for genuine and real reviews, but even that is now being gamed. Advertisers and shady affiliate marketing schemes have caught on and nearly every search result I try is now filled with junk, upvote farmed nonsense with fake accounts using similar naming schemes.

Meh if you put a little effort into it by checking the post & comment history of the person doing the review it should give you a clue. Sure some companies have bought accounts with lots of Karma and "good will" in the past but I think that's pretty rare.
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