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Re: Please make a dumb car

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> I wonder how well my car will age when miscellaneous sensor all over the car start failing. That's just it, the tech is making the cars less reliable. Will all of these bespoke parts be available in 10, 15, 20 years? I would hate to have to dispose of a working car because the dead now obsolete chip on the bespoke LCD dash module shaped like the cars dashboard is no longer in production. I had cars who's odometers…

Note that "cars are getting less reliable" is a gut feeling that many people have, but largely isn't backed by real metrics. When's the last time you saw a broken-down car by the side of the road, and is this happening more or less often than 20 years ago? Do you think cars require more or less upkeep and maintenance than 20 years ago? Yes, cars do have some new components that have introduced new failure modes, and…

I think overall you're right but I suspect the proliferation of luxury electronic features has subjected higher class slices of the population to more failures than they saw before. In 2004 these people bought Camrys and drove them uneventfully. The base car hasn't changed but now that car has half a dozen switches and motors in both front seats the failure of any one of which requires it to be fixed. If the lever in your '04 was finicky you just pulled/pushed slightly harder and were not the wiser.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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https://vanderhallusa.com Here you go. I see this companies cars driving around sometimes.

Thanks! I wonder how I haven't heard of this before. Edit: Just saw that the Brawley is off-road only. It doesn't meet DOT standards. That would probably explain why I haven't heard of it.

The company makes a few other cars, most of them extremely quirky with only a windshield to protect you from the elements. But depending on the climate you live in, they do indeed make some street legal "dumb cars"

Re: Please make a dumb car

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If you have never driven an old car (35 years or older) you should try. Especially if you can find one with a carburetor engine and a bit of power. It is gloriously relaxing.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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I went car shopping this year in the new market and found that that if you want more a "dumb" car (UX occurs primarily outside of a touchscreen, no internet, no geolocation) you lose all potential for any nice non-smart features. So no heated/powered seats, no power windows, the material of the interior is refurbished from a spirit airlines airplane, etc. I think manufacturers are hoping that certain aspects of the m…

I did sort of miss losing blue tooth when switching to a newer work truck from a muscle car that had it. But it hasn't been an issue. I don't miss any of the other feature enough to pay for them (no key fob, no power seats, etc; but it has power windows and locks, so that's nice). The quality of tactile representation and response on the knobs/buttons are not as good as my old 89 caprice was. But that's true of all c…

Pretty easy to add this aftermarket.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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I don't mind having a smart car, in fact, I like most of the "smart" features - lane centering, adaptive cruise, emergency braking, TPMS, lane change cameras, auto headlights, auto wipers, etc. But I want buttons and knobs for everything I use while driving. I probably wouldn't pay extra for built-in navigation (it generally comes with other options that I do want), but I've found it useful a few times when I was out…

yes. totally agree. I LOVE adaptive cruise control, but also love/need the ability to work the music and environment selection buttons - switch stations, switch cds, change sources, turn heat up down etc - with just an instantaneous glance followed by touch only.

My Honda Accord is pretty good with this -- it has a lot of smart features, but also has buttons for pretty much everything I need (real clickable buttons or knobs, not touch sensitive buttons that give no tactile feedback)

The voice response system is horrible, if I have to use the Honda navigation, I almost always need to stop so I can type in my destination. But since I use Android Auto 99% of the time, it doesn't really bother me.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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Unfortunately the government is imminently planning on requiring "smart" features like a law enforcement lowjack for "hot cars"[0] and a remote "kill switch" [1]. Granted, I'd be more than okay building a ranch vehicle or purchasing an old car and deleting these features as willful non-compliance.

[0] https://hothardware.com/news/bidens-infrastructure-bill-mand...

(hot hardware is an oddly good source of electrical engineering news too!)

[1] https://miami.cbslocal.com/2021/12/29/new-federal-regulation....

Re: Please make a dumb car

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There was a previous HN thread where someone said they were attempting to make a dumb TV (a commercial endeavor) and others here said they were interested in working on that. I wonder where that effort is. Feels like there is a ready market for this product. I can't turn on my Vizio without it taking 10 minutes to check for updates, changing inputs take a minute. The Samsung keeps trying to update YouTube and some ot…

Per chance, do you have a link to the thread?

I'm searching for it myself. There's been plenty of venting about "smart" TVs on HN in the past year. The fellow who wanted to start the project said he had a background in electronics, I should have stickied that thread.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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I did sort of miss losing blue tooth when switching to a newer work truck from a muscle car that had it. But it hasn't been an issue. I don't miss any of the other feature enough to pay for them (no key fob, no power seats, etc; but it has power windows and locks, so that's nice). The quality of tactile representation and response on the knobs/buttons are not as good as my old 89 caprice was. But that's true of all c…

Pretty easy to add this aftermarket.

I don't care enough to add Bluetooth. If I do anything, I'll add a backup camera.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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In 2017 I bought a new Renault Twingo in the basic version to commute. It was great in an unexpected way: it didn’t distract at all from driving. It had one great simple feature: you could put your smartphone at the place usual GPS screens are mounted. That is it. So you could use a Renault provided App on your phone or use Google Maps. I missed nothing.
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