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Ehh... this is more like "people don't want software on their Dishwasher" rather than "people want free software on their dishwasher"
I am rabid over futuristic/techno/sci-fi stuff, but I don't think turning everything into a mini computer is the right way forward. By all means, turn our home PCs into supercomputers and our televisions into 3D hologram projectors, but let "dumb" but reliable goods persist. Next they'll start making smart cissors, smart drinking glasses, smart pens...
My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi
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Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi
#382Lots of appliances have actual use cases for WiFi. A Fridge for example makes a loud beep if you forgot to close the door and the temperature is too high. But forget the door and leave your house, and you won't hear the beep. A push notification would solve it. One can argue whether such a feature is actually worth having in a fridge (Added costs, security risks, complexity...) But at least it has a valid use case: n…
> A Fridge for example makes a loud beep if you forgot to close the door and the temperature is too high. But forget the door and leave your house, and you won't hear the beep. A push notification would solve it.
And expect the user to return to the house in the middle of work to close the fridge door? Why can't the fridge close its own door if it is so smart? And if it can, then why does it still need Wi-Fi?
Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi
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We just run the normal eco program without any extras. The dishes get perfectly clean every time as long as nothing hinders the rotating arms that spray water.
Depends on the size of your household a bit. If it runs every second day, it should not be a problem. If you save dishes for a week or two, the additional water from the intensive program really helps to get rid of dried out dirt.
In that case it's called not a dishwasher, but a Cockroach Breeding System.
Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi
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> The Wi-Fi is useful [...] Performs updates, etc. Ah yes, get wifi so your dishwasher can get security updates, which you need because your dishwasher is on wifi.
To be fair, it could also get functionality updates. For example they could upload a new totally different UX loved by the designers and that nobody else understands how to use ;-)
Meta: I intended this comment to be a pun because of the post about the Tesla 3 update but it is getting a surprising number of upvotes. Apparently it's striking a chord.
First of all, if you're a UX designer sorry for being a little snarky to you. A fair amount of it is probably unfair.
Second, maybe you can shed some light on why that kind of UX updates happen. As somebody else wrote in another comment "designers designing for design sake". Maybe it's not.
Third, maybe you can enlighten us developers about the circumstances when designers think that developers develop for development sake. I'm sure it happens.
Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi
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Is that some kind of mythical product? Would you mind telling us its name? Please :)
Do you mean the dishwasher? Or the 2 year old that loves to help with chores? If the latter, I honestly don't know how we got so blessed with a product that's this amazing in so many diverse ways.
The Dishwasher please :D
Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi
#386What benefits do smart dishwashers bring that are worth the costs of having to deal with wifi connectivity issues and firmware updates? It sounds like a poor tradeoff.
Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi
#387For 90% of household appliances I want them to be dumb AF.
Also no capacitive touch or press and hold BS. I want heavy duty physical switches and buttons. As few chips as possible. No way in hell am I letting it connect to my wifi. I want steel, I want access panels.
Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi
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Don't use detergent pods: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rBO8neWw04
tl;dw (but you really should watch this): - Don't use pods - Fill the main and prewash cups every time. The prewash is intended to be used every time, not just when the dishes are exceptionally dirty. - Run the hot water in the attached sink to full heat to ensure the washer gets filled with hot water
Until we use the last of the pods up I've found if you put a squirt or two of Dawn Powerwash in for the prewash it works amazingly well. And before the inevitable comments come up: unlike regular dish soap (do NOT put in a dishwasher) it doesn't suds up either. Yeah, it does a little at first but by the end of the prewash cycle the foam is gone - yes, I have checked.
As an aside: Dawn Powerwash is flat out amazing in general, especially for really crusty/baked on stuff. Spray some on, come back in 15 minutes and it will more than likely wipe right off - if it hasn't dissolved whatever was crusted on and ran off already. If you haven't tried it and it's available in your area give it a try! Amazing degreaser. Works on laundry with grease stains, carpet, oil stains on the driveway (mop up with kitty litter/towels; don't wash down the street!) and all kinds of other non-kitchen uses too.
Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi
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I have never once needed my dishwasher to be operated remotely. Load it and press start. The dishes get clean and it has no software just buttons. If the dishes get clean what further enhancements needed to be done?
> I have never once needed my dishwasher to be operated remotely. Load it and press start. Time-delay is in fact a rather useful feature e.g. 1. I may not want to start the dishwasher at 11 PM, especially if I’m in a condo and will prevent neighbours from sleeping 2. depending on the specifics of the dishwasher & local water, I may want it to finish soon before I come home so I can quickly dry the dishes (e.g. if wat…
I know it doesn't negate that use case in the moment, but it's a poorly designed building where neighbors even know your dishwasher is running.
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I agree on a lot of them. Miele however, my mother's last Miele dishwasher lasted 22 years and they were still selling spare parts up until the day she replaced it. That's pretty unheard of in today's day and age
But that's the Miele of 22 years ago that you are talking about. Not necessarily the one that exists today.
Yup. I tend to prioritize manufacturers like Whirlpool that make service manuals and parts readily available. Sadly Whirlpool is in an ever shrinking minority. Here in the US there are zero advantages to the European brands - parts and service are atrocious adding insult to injury.
Theres more than initial acquisition cost or the looks of the appliance that's worth considering when purchasing!