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Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by funcDropShadow »

lights0123 wrote: post #12
christophilus wrote: post #7

I can understand the appeal of most smart devices, but since a dishwasher can’t yet load and unload itself, what is the point of an internet connected dishwasher? You have to have physically loaded it. Why not just push the start button then?

Notifications is the big reason: because cycle times are usually just estimates, you can't just set a timer for when it'll be done.

I don't understand the usefulness of notifications on my phone for a dishwasher. Either I am near my dishwasher and hear its acoustic signal that it has finished. Then I can decide to open it or empty it now or later. Or I am not near the dishwasher than I can't do anything about it. Then it is a completely unactionable information, i.e. noise.

Actually, I have a Bosch/Siemens dishwasher with Wifi because it is very good dishwasher, but I've never connected it to my Wifi, because I don't want to think about advanced persistent threads infilitrating my dishwasher.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by aivisol »

lights0123 wrote: post #12
christophilus wrote: post #7

I can understand the appeal of most smart devices, but since a dishwasher can’t yet load and unload itself, what is the point of an internet connected dishwasher? You have to have physically loaded it. Why not just push the start button then?

Notifications is the big reason: because cycle times are usually just estimates, you can't just set a timer for when it'll be done.

Mine dumb model beeps when its done its cycle. It's a good notification for me. If I run it overnight, I don't really care at which hour it finished. Am I missing something else?

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by jstanley »

LegitShady wrote: post #14
lights0123 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Notifications is the big reason: because cycle times are usually just estimates, you can't just set a timer for when it'll be done.

>because cycle times are usually just estimates Why is that? what diagnostics are it running to tell if it needs to run longer? I thought they ran by timers, in which case cycle times are...cycle times.

It needs to open the inlet valve until there's enough water. This will take less time if your water pressure is higher.

It needs to heat until the desired temperature is achieved. This will take more time in colder weather.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by beerandt »

buro9 wrote: post #5

Looks like a Miele. That menu can be exited (the image where it says "Software Update", the tiny bit on the right... that's a scroll bar of multiple options including the ability to exit this menu), but it does imply that the dishwasher is already connected to Wi-Fi and that it has determined that there is an update available. There are few times that a dishwasher is interacted with, if not when you go into the menu…

I've been shopping these- I don't like network connected anything for appliances. Including for the reasons you gave.

But there are miele versions with custom programmable cycles for things like sterilizing labware, etc, where I could see a web page interface much easier to use than the buttons or screen on the device.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by tyingq »

christophilus wrote: post #7

I can understand the appeal of most smart devices, but since a dishwasher can’t yet load and unload itself, what is the point of an internet connected dishwasher? You have to have physically loaded it. Why not just push the start button then?

Most of them are sort of silly, but it does have some options that make use of the "smartness".

The manual is here: https://www.mieleusa.com/pmedia/ZGA/TX2070/10546880-000-01_1...

Most of the smart stuff is in "settings" starting on page 64. Stuff like configuring it to run only during a low electric rate period (nights). Notifying you when filters need changing. Keeping track of detergent reservoir levels.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by cjrp »

MSFT_Edging wrote: post #8

What reason could a dishwasher have for a firmware update? Did they not test their dishwasher? did they lock away features behind a subscription? Why would it need a security update if it wasn't internet connected?

They've figured out a way to spray adverts on to the clean dishes and need to ship it to customers ASAP!

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by [deleted] »

tremon wrote: post #24
eli wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No software is perfect when shipped. Most dishwashers have had updatable firmware for at least a decade, it just normally required a technician connecting to it with a cable.

No software is perfect when shipped Why not? Or rather, why do we accept this as the norm? A dishwasher isn't that complex, it should be possible to prove the firmware error-free.

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Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by alasdair_ »

tremon wrote: post #24
eli wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No software is perfect when shipped. Most dishwashers have had updatable firmware for at least a decade, it just normally required a technician connecting to it with a cable.

No software is perfect when shipped Why not? Or rather, why do we accept this as the norm? A dishwasher isn't that complex, it should be possible to prove the firmware error-free.

>it should be possible to prove the firmware error-free

perhaps they tried, but got stuck on the bit where they tried to figure out if it halts or not.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Post by krm01 »

Smart devices are overly complex. The entire point should have been to make devices work for you, but now when you buy a ‘smart’ washing machine, it requires you 30min of setup. Downloading apps, connecting it to wifi, providing GPS location etc. why? What’s the point. We need devices that make life simpler. Straight out of the box.
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