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My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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I can understand the appeal of most smart devices, but since a dishwasher can’t yet load and unload itself, what is the point of an internet connected dishwasher? You have to have physically loaded it. Why not just push the start button then?

Notifications is the big reason: because cycle times are usually just estimates, you can't just set a timer for when it'll be done.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

#14

I can understand the appeal of most smart devices, but since a dishwasher can’t yet load and unload itself, what is the point of an internet connected dishwasher? You have to have physically loaded it. Why not just push the start button then?

Notifications is the big reason: because cycle times are usually just estimates, you can't just set a timer for when it'll be done.

>because cycle times are usually just estimates

Why is that? what diagnostics are it running to tell if it needs to run longer?

I thought they ran by timers, in which case cycle times are...cycle times.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

#15

What reason could a dishwasher have for a firmware update? Did they not test their dishwasher? did they lock away features behind a subscription? Why would it need a security update if it wasn't internet connected?

No software is perfect when shipped. Most dishwashers have had updatable firmware for at least a decade, it just normally required a technician connecting to it with a cable.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

#16

I can understand the appeal of most smart devices, but since a dishwasher can’t yet load and unload itself, what is the point of an internet connected dishwasher? You have to have physically loaded it. Why not just push the start button then?

Notifications is the big reason: because cycle times are usually just estimates, you can't just set a timer for when it'll be done.

Is the completion of a dishwashing cycle a time-critical event in your home? Here, it can easily be a few hours between washing the dishes and unloading the washer (e.g. run the washer overnight, unload it the next morning).

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Looks like a Miele. That menu can be exited (the image where it says "Software Update", the tiny bit on the right... that's a scroll bar of multiple options including the ability to exit this menu), but it does imply that the dishwasher is already connected to Wi-Fi and that it has determined that there is an update available. There are few times that a dishwasher is interacted with, if not when you go into the menu…

Yeah, that tweet is click-bait meant to generate outrage clicks and follows. Most of the submissions on the front-page have -at best- incomplete titles.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Notifications is the big reason: because cycle times are usually just estimates, you can't just set a timer for when it'll be done.

Is the completion of a dishwashing cycle a time-critical event in your home? Here, it can easily be a few hours between washing the dishes and unloading the washer (e.g. run the washer overnight, unload it the next morning).

It’s not time critical until someone told you it needs to be time critical i.e the manufacturer tries to bundle shitty IoT features on every damn thing because the manufacturer next door is doing it and then piles on the marketing.

No one needs an internet connected dish washer.

Just give me something I don’t need to sleep with one eye open all the time.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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post #3

Your dishwasher protecting you against evil hackers with critical updates.

Sounds like a self-created problem.

Almost all problems are self created, sadly. This is how complexity spirals out of control particularly in software so quickly
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