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My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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I can understand the appeal of most smart devices, but since a dishwasher can’t yet load and unload itself, what is the point of an internet connected dishwasher? You have to have physically loaded it. Why not just push the start button then?

Notifications is the big reason: because cycle times are usually just estimates, you can't just set a timer for when it'll be done.

a smart plug can do it for you as well. $10

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

#22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Notifications is the big reason: because cycle times are usually just estimates, you can't just set a timer for when it'll be done.

>because cycle times are usually just estimates Why is that? what diagnostics are it running to tell if it needs to run longer? I thought they ran by timers, in which case cycle times are...cycle times.

Some dish washers have water sensors that vary the cycle times depending on how dirty they observe the return water. This why they warn you not to pre-rinse your dishes because you'll fool the system into a lighter washing which won't properly clean your dishes.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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post #15

What reason could a dishwasher have for a firmware update? Did they not test their dishwasher? did they lock away features behind a subscription? Why would it need a security update if it wasn't internet connected?

No software is perfect when shipped. Most dishwashers have had updatable firmware for at least a decade, it just normally required a technician connecting to it with a cable.

No software is perfect when shipped

Why not? Or rather, why do we accept this as the norm? A dishwasher isn't that complex, it should be possible to prove the firmware error-free.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Notifications is the big reason: because cycle times are usually just estimates, you can't just set a timer for when it'll be done.

>because cycle times are usually just estimates Why is that? what diagnostics are it running to tell if it needs to run longer? I thought they ran by timers, in which case cycle times are...cycle times.

Newer models can check if the water is coming out clear and waste less resources/time.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Looks like a Miele. That menu can be exited (the image where it says "Software Update", the tiny bit on the right... that's a scroll bar of multiple options including the ability to exit this menu), but it does imply that the dishwasher is already connected to Wi-Fi and that it has determined that there is an update available. There are few times that a dishwasher is interacted with, if not when you go into the menu…

Yeah, that tweet is click-bait meant to generate outrage clicks and follows. Most of the submissions on the front-page have -at best- incomplete titles.

yes, clearly it is the user's fault that their dishwasher wont work without an update.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

#28

I can understand the appeal of most smart devices, but since a dishwasher can’t yet load and unload itself, what is the point of an internet connected dishwasher? You have to have physically loaded it. Why not just push the start button then?

We have one it’s great.

The ability to start it, and confirm it’s started is a game changer. Especially because it’s preloaded with the chemicals.

We don’t want to start it until we’re sure all the floating dishes actually got loaded. There’s a stray dish, a glass, life’s just a little chaotic getting dinner cleaned up and everyone to bed. We forget or we hit start but someone else opens it to add something. Without the act of adding soap and with two or three people adding things it’s surprisingly easy.

A lot of these are features as a single guy I found stupid. Now married with a kid they are just little enablers of greater calm.

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Notifications is the big reason: because cycle times are usually just estimates, you can't just set a timer for when it'll be done.

>because cycle times are usually just estimates Why is that? what diagnostics are it running to tell if it needs to run longer? I thought they ran by timers, in which case cycle times are...cycle times.

Modern-ish ones usually have a dirty-water-sensor; I believe it works by shining light through the water on the way out of the machine to see (roughly) how dirty it is. Clean water = cycle over, dirty water = keep going!

Re: My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Notifications is the big reason: because cycle times are usually just estimates, you can't just set a timer for when it'll be done.

>because cycle times are usually just estimates Why is that? what diagnostics are it running to tell if it needs to run longer? I thought they ran by timers, in which case cycle times are...cycle times.

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