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I develop free software because of CUNY and Blackboard

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Re: I develop free software because of CUNY and Blackboard

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After hearing endless complaints about Blackboard at Hofstra, I was just left wondering what the computer science students at all these schools were doing. This stuff doesn't seem that hard. One undergrad or Master's thesis, maybe a seminar on web development, and you've got it.

Harvey Mudd's taken that approach for a few courses, having student projects develop fairly course-specific management/grading/feedback tools. They're less general, but tend to be less crufty and a good fit for the course as a result. The tools for the intro C++ & data-structures course, for example, integrated with revision control, a submission system, gcc compiler, tests, and various lint-type tools, and an automated early-submission system that would give students basic feedback on whether their submission was compiling and passing sanity checks. Also, there was a grading interface for entering comments (with some things pre-selected, like failed tests, and easy cross-reference to the source code), which would then record the results, and produce & email nicely formatted results emails when done.

It was an amazingly bad awakening when, after that was my first-ever TA experience, I TA'd a course in grad school using Normal Course Management Tools, which by comparison didn't really automate much of my job at all, nor particularly seemed designed to fit with what the course was doing.

Re: I develop free software because of CUNY and Blackboard

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What is the reason for Blackboard and eCollege's dominance? Is it truly because the school "IT departments are dominated by Microsoft-trained technicians and corporate-owned CIOs" or is there another reason? I understand that Bb is very litigious and has a pretty broad patent on "eLearning" but that doesn't seem like it's stopping its competitors.

A buddy of mine and I were looking into writing an open-source replacement for both that didn't suck. We did market research first. Absolutely no one would even consider switching, it's way too far embedded in the schools that we talked to that attempting to get them to switch would take much more effort than we were willing to put in.

That, and Blackboard loves to sue anyone that even breaths the words eLearning software.

Re: I develop free software because of CUNY and Blackboard

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My school used eCollege, a Blackboard competitor. From what I have heard from professors that have used both they are both on par with each other in terms of being absolute shit. When I was still in school the students attempted to push the administration to go for an open source alternative called Moodle which is miles ahead of anything else. Speaking of Blackboard, apparently some security vulnerabilities were foun…

I haven't used eCollege or Blackboard, but I have used Moodle (as a student) in a couple of courses, and to be honest I found it to be a stunningly mediocre. If it really is miles ahead of everything else then the whole concept of that type of software probably needs to be radically rethought. PS: I should add that this was a good 3 years ago, so great things may have happened in the meantime.

eCollege from the standpoint of an TA was absolute crap, we as students experimented with several professors with Moodle and found it MUCH MUCH better than anything eCollege had to offer.

Re: I develop free software because of CUNY and Blackboard

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My school used eCollege, a Blackboard competitor. From what I have heard from professors that have used both they are both on par with each other in terms of being absolute shit. When I was still in school the students attempted to push the administration to go for an open source alternative called Moodle which is miles ahead of anything else. Speaking of Blackboard, apparently some security vulnerabilities were foun…

We used Moodle in the engineering department at my Uni and let me say - its better than blackboard (what isn't?) but its not "miles ahead" by a long shot. Its still pretty awful. I think the space is ripe for disruption.

The biggest problem is that both eCollege and Blackboard hold many patents related to the space, AND any solution has to follow certain guidelines/requirements set forth in some law somewhere (never did try to get more into it, our proposal was shot down hard).

Re: I develop free software because of CUNY and Blackboard

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My school used eCollege, a Blackboard competitor. From what I have heard from professors that have used both they are both on par with each other in terms of being absolute shit. When I was still in school the students attempted to push the administration to go for an open source alternative called Moodle which is miles ahead of anything else. Speaking of Blackboard, apparently some security vulnerabilities were foun…

When have security vulnerabilities not been found in Blackboard? Seriously, anyone in Instructional Technology can tell you that Blackboard isn't worth the metaphorical paper it's coded on.

In fact, it's so poorly put together perhaps the paper isn't metaphorical at all, and Blackboard are actually writing out their code by hand and having trained monkeys type the result up.

Re: I develop free software because of CUNY and Blackboard

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In my humble opinion, blackboard and the like (moodle, sakai...) are mainly useful for core classes that have a lot of students taking quizzes or writing papers or doing readings.

Faculty and instructors, I think, sometimes forget when they have academic freedom to teach their course whatever way they see best (sometimes they really don't have this choice though, like for much government/military/corporate training). They can use stuff outside of blackboard if they wish. Also though, they may not have the time or skill to set up their own online course tools.

There are alternatives that many faculty are embracing such as wikis (wikispaces, etc.), blogs (wordpress), and even some universities are exploring more decentralized or cloud-based alternatives that don't box you into a walled garden, like wordpress hosting, drupal tools (harvard's openscholar), google apps, and see what BYU is creating (although I'm not sensing that it will be open sourced): http://learningsuite.byu.edu/ (described in the educause article below)

The newest LMS tools like Instructure (and the newest version of Blackboard) are basically trying to emulate Facebook, for better and for worse, with dynamic streams of information and connections to social networking tools. Some believe Blackboard will not dominate the market for much longer: http://mfeldstein.com/emerging-trends-in-lms-ed-tech-market/

Anyway, there are plenty of articles exploring the effects (negative and otherwise) of learning management systems like Blackboard: http://www.educause.edu/EDUCAUSE+Quarterly/EDUCAUSEQuarterly... http://firstmonday.org/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/ar... http://firstmonday.org/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/ar...

Unfortunately many academic IT departments are primarily just consumers of vendor technologies, they aren't big enough nor do they have enough money to develop custom software tools. Purdue and others are some exceptions: http://campustechnology.com/innovators

An even bigger problem is probably that most faculty have no training in instruction and pedagogy and learning theory and design. As one person put it, "College teaching may be the only skilled profession for which systematic training is neither required nor provided–pizza delivery jobs come with more instruction." See http://edtechdev.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/50-examples-of-the...

Re: I develop free software because of CUNY and Blackboard

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Absolutely stunned by the cost of Blackboard referenced here: http://bit.ly/pjCNow . No software that is as poorly made as Blackboard should ever cost that much. Glad to know my now former university is ditching BB for a different service.

The thing with Enterprise software or, any software that finds a niche, really, is that it doesn't HAVE to be brilliantly made.

I'll be the first to agree that Blackboard is, pretty much, terrible. But it isn't cheap, and sells really well. What that tells you is that everyone screaming 'release, release' is right. If your product works and solves a problem, it doesn't have to be amazing to make money.

Their terribleness might open the doors to competition, but they're easily the market leader for a reason.

Re: I develop free software because of CUNY and Blackboard

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What is the reason for Blackboard and eCollege's dominance? Is it truly because the school "IT departments are dominated by Microsoft-trained technicians and corporate-owned CIOs" or is there another reason? I understand that Bb is very litigious and has a pretty broad patent on "eLearning" but that doesn't seem like it's stopping its competitors.

I was doing a very small elearning startup at the same time Blackboard started. We were all at the same edu tech conferences, knew the same people, etc.

At the time, Blackboard and WebCT were the biggest players in the elearning space. I think Blackboard simply did a better job of winning contracts and selling. You have to remember, when they started these companies were installing systems on campus (there was no SaaS initially) ... so it was a big deal if other campuses in your area used it and/or if it worked with your student information system.

Blackboard got a strategic partnership with microsoft (I think money too), they absorbed some smaller players (like Prometheus) and eventually acquired WebCT.

Re: I develop free software because of CUNY and Blackboard

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My school used eCollege, a Blackboard competitor. From what I have heard from professors that have used both they are both on par with each other in terms of being absolute shit. When I was still in school the students attempted to push the administration to go for an open source alternative called Moodle which is miles ahead of anything else. Speaking of Blackboard, apparently some security vulnerabilities were foun…

I wonder how much the name "Moodle" hindered its adoption.

I have attended two public colleges in North Carolina, and both of them are migrating towards it as their primary LMS. So, obviously not that much.
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