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I develop free software because of CUNY and Blackboard

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Re: I develop free software because of CUNY and Blackboard

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My school used eCollege, a Blackboard competitor. From what I have heard from professors that have used both they are both on par with each other in terms of being absolute shit. When I was still in school the students attempted to push the administration to go for an open source alternative called Moodle which is miles ahead of anything else. Speaking of Blackboard, apparently some security vulnerabilities were foun…

I wonder how much the name "Moodle" hindered its adoption.

Re: I develop free software because of CUNY and Blackboard

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My school used eCollege, a Blackboard competitor. From what I have heard from professors that have used both they are both on par with each other in terms of being absolute shit. When I was still in school the students attempted to push the administration to go for an open source alternative called Moodle which is miles ahead of anything else. Speaking of Blackboard, apparently some security vulnerabilities were foun…

We used Moodle in the engineering department at my Uni and let me say - its better than blackboard (what isn't?) but its not "miles ahead" by a long shot. Its still pretty awful. I think the space is ripe for disruption.

Re: I develop free software because of CUNY and Blackboard

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"The project is not pitched as a Blackboard alternative, for a number of reasons (primary among which is that the Commons’s Terms of Service prohibit undergraduate courses from being held on the site)."

Is there any particular reason undergraduate courses prohibited?

Re: I develop free software because of CUNY and Blackboard

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post #5

My school used eCollege, a Blackboard competitor. From what I have heard from professors that have used both they are both on par with each other in terms of being absolute shit. When I was still in school the students attempted to push the administration to go for an open source alternative called Moodle which is miles ahead of anything else. Speaking of Blackboard, apparently some security vulnerabilities were foun…

I haven't used eCollege or Blackboard, but I have used Moodle (as a student) in a couple of courses, and to be honest I found it to be a stunningly mediocre. If it really is miles ahead of everything else then the whole concept of that type of software probably needs to be radically rethought.

PS: I should add that this was a good 3 years ago, so great things may have happened in the meantime.

Re: I develop free software because of CUNY and Blackboard

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I just started a postdoc at NYU and have been forced into using Blackboard to teach my class. Inspiring alternatives can't come fast enough.

I am not sure how inspired it is, but Sakai is a very good open source alternative to Blackboard used at many Universities. http://sakaiproject.org/

I found Sakai, at least in the "T-Square" rebranding used at Georgia Tech, pretty annoying also (as of a few years ago), but at least it isn't sucking millions of dollars from their budget. At the time (possibly now fixed?) it had a very strong single-session assumption that would cause weird things to happen if you did obvious tabbed-browsing things like opening multiple users' assignments in new tabs. The "solution" was big red warnings at the top of every page about how you shouldn't do that.

Re: I develop free software because of CUNY and Blackboard

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post #14
post #5

My school used eCollege, a Blackboard competitor. From what I have heard from professors that have used both they are both on par with each other in terms of being absolute shit. When I was still in school the students attempted to push the administration to go for an open source alternative called Moodle which is miles ahead of anything else. Speaking of Blackboard, apparently some security vulnerabilities were foun…

I haven't used eCollege or Blackboard, but I have used Moodle (as a student) in a couple of courses, and to be honest I found it to be a stunningly mediocre. If it really is miles ahead of everything else then the whole concept of that type of software probably needs to be radically rethought. PS: I should add that this was a good 3 years ago, so great things may have happened in the meantime.

> If it really is miles ahead of everything else then the whole concept of that type of software probably needs to be radically rethought.

That's pretty much what I thought, reading that. The college I'm at right now uses Moodle, and while it gets the job done it doesn't do so particularly well. Might just be because of how the professors use it (there's a lot of variability in how useful it is between classes), but even in the best cases it's nothing special.

Re: I develop free software because of CUNY and Blackboard

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I use Blackboard as professor a lot, and while pedagogically it can do amazing things technically it's poorly done and annoying. I think the author wrongly poo-poos the one-stop-shop feature of Blackboard. The fact that the annoying quiz making facility grades automatically and posts grades to the annoying grade center that can't even do weighted grades right is still pretty great compared to the alternative (which is what? Getting my students to get their own logins to some other site, take a quiz, scrape that data automatically somehow to some kind of password protected database and get them to sign in to that and then check there)

Everyone gushes over the Kahn Academy approach of expecting perfection and permitting failure; they're right and I can run with it in Blackboard.

What I do: Write random question pools using Blackboards obnoxious question writing web interface.

Randomly generate quizzes from a series of different pools by subject.

Let my students take the quiz as many times as they want; offer zero partial credit

Blackboard automatically puts the latest grade into grade center (which is almost always the highest since they stop taking it when they're satisfied with their grade) which they can then access with their university login at any time without revealing confidential information about other students

There is a terrible, ridiculous, hackery way to dump to question log files into excel, clean up the data (takes about an hour) and get feedback on how often each question in each pool is answered correctly, so I know which subjects the students are struggling with. We go over those topics in later lectures.

This has had a huge effect in my sections because it feels like the students work twice as hard but are half as stressed about it. They can fix just about any result for the better by learning the material.

So tl;dr I love learning content management systems and by implication Blackboard despite its many egregious flaws.

In terms of startup ideas, I think there's plenty of space to work with Blackboard rather than try to replace it i.e. I don't think their proprietary quiz formats would be difficult to decipher at all, which means a clever startup could make a "We make making Blackboard quizzes easy!" product and do big enterprise sales with it. Universities love to feel they are on the cutting edge of "technology" and clearly have deep pockets for this stuff (if you didn't click on the expensive link in the article you should)

Re: I develop free software because of CUNY and Blackboard

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After hearing endless complaints about Blackboard at Hofstra, I was just left wondering what the computer science students at all these schools were doing. This stuff doesn't seem that hard. One undergrad or Master's thesis, maybe a seminar on web development, and you've got it.

Re: I develop free software because of CUNY and Blackboard

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What is the reason for Blackboard and eCollege's dominance? Is it truly because the school "IT departments are dominated by Microsoft-trained technicians and corporate-owned CIOs" or is there another reason?

I understand that Bb is very litigious and has a pretty broad patent on "eLearning" but that doesn't seem like it's stopping its competitors.

Re: I develop free software because of CUNY and Blackboard

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I just started a postdoc at NYU and have been forced into using Blackboard to teach my class. Inspiring alternatives can't come fast enough.

I am not sure how inspired it is, but Sakai is a very good open source alternative to Blackboard used at many Universities. http://sakaiproject.org/

We use a system built on sakai at my university. While it isn't horrible, it isn't brilliant either.

In the CS department we have a command-line utility for submitting homework and grades, and the classes just have a simple website. Everybody likes that system more than the one based on sakai, which should give you a good idea of how much functionality sakai brings.

Additionally, everybody is now using a system called piazza[1] as an online forum for the class instead of using the one provided by sakai. I rather like it and it has met considerable success in most of the classes that deployed it. Of course, some of my professors are very enthusiastic about this system; one of them even has a testimonial on piazza's main page.

[1]: http://www.piazza.com

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