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Re: Spotify sides with Joe Rogan, removes Neil Young’s music

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Post by projct »

nsxwolf wrote: post #55
NoLinkToMe wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Had no clue who he was, but I commend him for this principled stance. How he'd have to be embarrassed for me not knowing who he is, I can't fathom. He also doesn't know who I am. I don't think he expected Spotify to cancel Rogan, I do think he expected to raise awareness of Rogan's dangerous and anti-scientific medical nonsense, and he quite succesfully did that, at his own expense. The embarrassment is with Spotify,…

Don't forget what he's doing. He's not just refusing to listen to a podcast he doesn't like. He wants to take it away from the millions of people who enjoy listening to it. He wants tell other people they shouldn't be allowed to hear something. That's not commendable in my book.

That's absurd. Spotify is not the only place you can publish a podcast.

Re: Spotify sides with Joe Rogan, removes Neil Young’s music

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Post by nsxwolf »

projct wrote: post #101
nsxwolf wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget what he's doing. He's not just refusing to listen to a podcast he doesn't like. He wants to take it away from the millions of people who enjoy listening to it. He wants tell other people they shouldn't be allowed to hear something. That's not commendable in my book.

That's absurd. Spotify is not the only place you can publish a podcast.

That makes it futile (for someone as big as Rogan anyway), yes. But Young still made the ask. It's the ask I find objectionable. He could have just taken his ball and gone home, but he went farther than that.

Re: Spotify sides with Joe Rogan, removes Neil Young’s music

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Post by throwawayl44 »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #92
tptacek wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please keep in mind that you're not entitled to badger here; this isn't a venue for convincing people that you're right about things (for what it's worth: I'm well aware that you are right in this instance), but rather for having thoughtful conversations. Wikipedia has a good rule in Articles for Deletion debates, where they decide which articles to keep when people nominate them for deletion. They're not votes. You…

Oh sure, I'm not intending to badger anyone myself. But I'll humor anyone that wants to continue to talk without resorting to personal insults. Appreciate the guidance.

Your comment

“Rogan literally said "This doctor was saying ivermectin is 99 percent effective intreating Covid" to millions of millions of his listeners.”

was really valuable to me. Because it's so incredibly stupid that if one can string together a bunch of such comments from JR, it can actually persuade some people to not believe him. We have a type of Godman quack around here who spouts nonsense on TV. Some people string together all the outright nonsensy parts and make a single video, while referencing where they came from. Those are really helpful.

Edit: also it's a problem with only some message boards. There are message boards where a comment such as 'raynier made will be outright dismissed. And they are also places where 'thoughtful conversations' happen. Also I don't think it's 'badgering' when you quote something incredibly stupid and dangerous JR said.

Edit2: also there is an order of more people that just read comments than comment. A concrete comment of yours like the one I quoted above can really convince some people. It's a good thing.

Re: Spotify sides with Joe Rogan, removes Neil Young’s music

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Post by throwawayl44 »

jet777 wrote: post #21

I use Spotify for music first and foremost, their music catalogue is already smaller than apples. I really hope this doesn't become a trend. I could care less about podcasts let alone THAT podcast. Also Spotify, where is airplay 2? where is hifi? Your data analytics are cool but your core product is starting to fall behind

There's also Tidal and Bandcamp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_(service)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandcamp

There's also Radio Paradise for music discovery. I love it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Paradise

Re: Spotify sides with Joe Rogan, removes Neil Young’s music

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Post by pwinnski »

CountDrewku wrote: post #100
pwinnski wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neil Young stating that he doesn't want to participate in a platform that finances the spread of medical disinformation is... authoritarian? You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.

No, he stated he wants another individual removed from that service and then tried to force his authoritarian attitude by giving an ultimatum. You're negating a pretty important part here bud. Full Definition of authoritarian 1 : of, relating to, or favoring blind submission to authority Certainly seems to meet the definition to me. Are you sure you know what it means?

"I want you to let Spotify know immediately TODAY that I want all my music off their platform. They can have Rogan or Young. Not both."

Note that the primary demand is to remove his music. He was under no illusions that he had any sort of leverage over Spotify. He lacked the authority to make demands about their podcasts. He did have the right to pull his own music, and to explain why. Which is what he did.

If you can't see the difference, I can't help you.

Re: Spotify sides with Joe Rogan, removes Neil Young’s music

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Post by CountDrewku »

pwinnski wrote: post #105
CountDrewku wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, he stated he wants another individual removed from that service and then tried to force his authoritarian attitude by giving an ultimatum. You're negating a pretty important part here bud. Full Definition of authoritarian 1 : of, relating to, or favoring blind submission to authority Certainly seems to meet the definition to me. Are you sure you know what it means?

"I want you to let Spotify know immediately TODAY that I want all my music off their platform. They can have Rogan or Young. Not both." Note that the primary demand is to remove his music. He was under no illusions that he had any sort of leverage over Spotify. He lacked the authority to make demands about their podcasts. He did have the right to pull his own music, and to explain why. Which is what he did. If you ca…

>They can have Rogan or Young.

That's an ultimatum with markedly authoritarian need for control over what others have access to on a platform. Thanks for proving my point.

>Note that the primary demand is to remove his music.

No it's absolutely not or he would not have ended with the ultimatum. IF what you're saying was true he wouldn't have needed to mention anything about Rogan, he can pull his music whenever he wants.

I'm not sure if you're just naive or you've haven't been properly taught reading comprehension and critical thinking but you're just dismissing half of what Young is saying. I guess the last option is that you're being malicious for some reason. Which is it? I'd have more respect for you if you just admitted you like his authoritarian attitude because you don't care for Rogan.

Re: Spotify sides with Joe Rogan, removes Neil Young’s music

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Post by [deleted] »

NoLinkToMe wrote: post #25
rayiner wrote: post #19

The reaction to Rogan is like the religious right’s reaction to Howard Stern. If you don’t like it don’t listen to his show.

There's 'don't like' and then there's 'dangerous anti-scientific medical advice'. Can you appreciate there's a difference?

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Re: Spotify sides with Joe Rogan, removes Neil Young’s music

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Post by rayiner »

NoLinkToMe wrote: post #25
rayiner wrote: post #19

The reaction to Rogan is like the religious right’s reaction to Howard Stern. If you don’t like it don’t listen to his show.

There's 'don't like' and then there's 'dangerous anti-scientific medical advice'. Can you appreciate there's a difference?

I think different folks have different, but sincerely held, ideas of what ideas are dangerous for other people to be hearing. I’m sympathetic to your particular point, but more fundamentally, skeptical of the assertion that “but my concern is real while their concerns are fake.”

Re: Spotify sides with Joe Rogan, removes Neil Young’s music

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Post by CountDrewku »

dekhn wrote: post #99
CountDrewku wrote: post #97

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I'm telling you it's an inferior way to do it not that you cannot do it. You're running around worrying about DRM when that's not even something you need to worry about on physical copy like a record.

Huh? None of my downloads have DRM. Why would I ever buy music with DRM?

Dude go back and read the rest of the comments before interjecting with stupid responses. You're not following the full conversation here. You read one comment in the middle of the string and inserted yourself into the conversation. You don't even understand what's being discussed.

Re: Spotify sides with Joe Rogan, removes Neil Young’s music

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Post by rayiner »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #78
cronix wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> despite doctor's advice Despite some doctor's advice.... Joe's doctor prescribed him human grade ivermectin, not "horse dewormer." HIS doctor. So HIS doctors advice was to take it, along with monoclonal antibodies, along with vitamins, and other things. He listened to HIS doctor, and recovered, and then told people what HE did. So it's Joe's fault some idiots took horse dewormer after he never mentioned those words…

“This doctor was saying ivermectin is 99 percent effective in treating Covid, but you don’t hear about it because you can’t fund vaccines when it’s an effective treatment,” Actual quote. The guy spins it as "big pharma doesn't want you to know about this" so of course people are going off script. He's a dangerous moron.

It’s a moronic comment, but equally moronic comments are made about “big pharma” all the time by a bunch of people. He sounds like every Bernie supporter.
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