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Spotify sides with Joe Rogan, removes Neil Young’s music

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Re: Spotify sides with Joe Rogan, removes Neil Young’s music

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Post by pwinnski »

cronix wrote: post #33
snowwrestler wrote: post #18

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Maybe not; Spotify is famous for how little they pay artists for song plays. Most artists seem to think of it as a marketing channel like radio, not a revenue source.

> Spotify is famous for how little they pay artists for song plays Maybe, but > 60% of Young's streaming revenue comes from Spotify meaning the move is likely to cost him and his record label, Warner Bros[1] So what "little" they paid him was still the majority of what he was making. And I think it will be hard for someone from his genre (1960's/70's) to make a come back. Most people under 35ish-40 have never heard o…

60% of his miniscule streaming revenue?

60% of 1% is 0.6%, I think he'll be okay.

Re: Spotify sides with Joe Rogan, removes Neil Young’s music

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Post by micromacrofoot »

tptacek wrote: post #89
micromacrofoot wrote: post #86

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I had to argue with my brother about Joe Rogan for about a year until he got vaccinated (before the pandemic it was arguing with him about not sending randos on the internet money for perpetual motion devices), so I'm used to it. A big part of spreading disinfo is badgering people until they give up, so I've already resigned myself to doing this forever.

Please keep in mind that you're not entitled to badger here; this isn't a venue for convincing people that you're right about things (for what it's worth: I'm well aware that you are right in this instance), but rather for having thoughtful conversations. Wikipedia has a good rule in Articles for Deletion debates, where they decide which articles to keep when people nominate them for deletion. They're not votes. You…

Oh sure, I'm not intending to badger anyone myself. But I'll humor anyone that wants to continue to talk without resorting to personal insults. Appreciate the guidance.

Re: Spotify sides with Joe Rogan, removes Neil Young’s music

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Post by pwinnski »

CountDrewku wrote: post #49
chabes wrote: post #26

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Authoritarians?

Yep I know this might be hard to understand for people that have been brainwashed into this attitude in the last decade but trying to silence ideas you disagree with is an authoritarian stance. You are on the same wavelength as religious zealots that burn "evil" books when you do this.

Neil Young stating that he doesn't want to participate in a platform that finances the spread of medical disinformation is... authoritarian?

You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.

Re: Spotify sides with Joe Rogan, removes Neil Young’s music

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Post by stjohnswarts »

kjsingh wrote: post #69
hawkesnest wrote: post #2

Is this at all surprising? Spotify paid a lot of money to have Rogan on their platform because he (supposedly) makes them more money. Young gave a request of the "choose-him-or-me" variety, and Spotify honored that request. I doubt Young's body of work really amounts to much money for Spotify. Did Young really think that Spotify would drop Rogan over him? Would he have preferred to keep the status quo? I believe Youn…

It's a win for Young too - Spotify complying to the request shows they lack a spine!

I think it shows they do have a spine and won't comply with wokeism.

Re: Spotify sides with Joe Rogan, removes Neil Young’s music

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Post by skywal_l »

An interesting take on this subject: https://jacobinmag.com/2022/01/joe-rogan-podcast-covid-misin...

Their take is that censoring Rogan is not the answer. Having a clear, science and common sense based communication free of political meddling is the answer.

Re: Spotify sides with Joe Rogan, removes Neil Young’s music

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Post by CountDrewku »

dekhn wrote: post #70
CountDrewku wrote: post #48

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Yeah the point is if you want actual ownership of the music you buy then digital is not the way to go.

Huh? I buy (not rent) digital downloads of lossless music all the time (phish). Note: that's not ownership of music. The band owns the copyright of the live recording and the digital download is really just a physical license that happens to permit you to listen to it if you have physical possession of it.

I'm telling you it's an inferior way to do it not that you cannot do it. You're running around worrying about DRM when that's not even something you need to worry about on physical copy like a record.

Re: Spotify sides with Joe Rogan, removes Neil Young’s music

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Post by CountDrewku »

rpd9803 wrote: post #63
CountDrewku wrote: post #48

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Yeah the point is if you want actual ownership of the music you buy then digital is not the way to go.

I mean, a DRM-free uncompressed file will be yours as long as you can back it up.. a CD will delaminate in a few decades, vinyl will warp, tapes demagnetize..

Where do you think files are stored bud? Do you think drives don't deteriorate?

You do not maintain or own cloud storage. You might want to rad the fine print on your cloud storage service and who actually owns that data.

Re: Spotify sides with Joe Rogan, removes Neil Young’s music

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Post by dekhn »

CountDrewku wrote: post #97
dekhn wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? I buy (not rent) digital downloads of lossless music all the time (phish). Note: that's not ownership of music. The band owns the copyright of the live recording and the digital download is really just a physical license that happens to permit you to listen to it if you have physical possession of it.

I'm telling you it's an inferior way to do it not that you cannot do it. You're running around worrying about DRM when that's not even something you need to worry about on physical copy like a record.

Huh? None of my downloads have DRM. Why would I ever buy music with DRM?

Re: Spotify sides with Joe Rogan, removes Neil Young’s music

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Post by CountDrewku »

pwinnski wrote: post #93
CountDrewku wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep I know this might be hard to understand for people that have been brainwashed into this attitude in the last decade but trying to silence ideas you disagree with is an authoritarian stance. You are on the same wavelength as religious zealots that burn "evil" books when you do this.

Neil Young stating that he doesn't want to participate in a platform that finances the spread of medical disinformation is... authoritarian? You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.

No, he stated he wants another individual removed from that service and then tried to force his authoritarian attitude by giving an ultimatum. You're negating a pretty important part here bud.

Full Definition of authoritarian

1 : of, relating to, or favoring blind submission to authority

Certainly seems to meet the definition to me. Are you sure you know what it means?

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