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Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by adventured »

user_7832 wrote: post #22
dokem wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Construction is private and buildings don't fall down and are incredibly safe. Food production is private and people don't get spoiled or poisonous products. I think this is reductive.

Both have regulations written in blood, though. Lives have been lost which is why rules exist in these fields.

The argument by the parent is clearly not against regulations in a market economy, they didn't say anything implying that. The argument is against the necessity of government ownership and operation.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by nkrisc »

bko wrote: post #10
nopenopenopeno wrote: post #5

Universally necessary services like communication, healthcare, and social media (the digital plaza) can never be justly managed by private companies. It is an inherent structural contradiction that has failed and will continue to fail our society until we are willing to organize resistance beyond the realm of consumer choice.

You're assuming that public organizations would run a more secure responsive network. My interactions with public institutions makes me doubt this assumption, especially for something as vast and complicated as facebook's network.

Nothing is secure, so it’s not about that. It’s about accountability .

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by _jal »

dylan604 wrote: post #13
bko wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're assuming that public organizations would run a more secure responsive network. My interactions with public institutions makes me doubt this assumption, especially for something as vast and complicated as facebook's network.

Exactly. Imagine your DMV experiences but applied to this. Then again, based on stories like this, private seems to be even worse. Even the DMV has human interaction possible after demoralizing wait times unlike shouting into blackholes that is FAANG support

Tangent, but using the DMV as a horror-cliche anchor is very state-specific.

I have experience with DMVs in six states. Five of those have always been perfectly fine, nothing to complain about. If I'm competent enough to get my paperwork right, it is just a 15 minute process. New York and California even take appointments, no waiting.

I got my license way back when in Tennessee, and they were incompetent jerks, and that's because Tennessee's entrenched political class goes out of its way to make sure government services suck.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by BoxOfRain »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #8
nopenopenopeno wrote: post #5

Universally necessary services like communication, healthcare, and social media (the digital plaza) can never be justly managed by private companies. It is an inherent structural contradiction that has failed and will continue to fail our society until we are willing to organize resistance beyond the realm of consumer choice.

Plenty of absolutely horrible kafkaesque experiences with the state. This is definitely not exclusively a “private company” problem.

I think it's a 'large bureaucracies in general' problem, there seems to be a critical mass in any kind of organisation beyond which dealing with them in any capacity becomes like pulling teeth. I don't think public services are necessarily flawed because it's the state providing them, I think it's more that the state is also an enormous bureaucratic organisation and subject to the same issues. When the state creates groups that are enpowered to cut through the internal politicking it can be very effective, for example the gov.uk site that's been praised a lot on HN.

Just look at rail in the UK, it was the butt of contemporary comedy when it was nationalised and it's still a dog's breakfast thirty years after privatisation. It's not the ownership that's the problem, it's the nature of the organisations responsible for providing that particular service. I think the public/private dichotomy is a bit of a false one when it comes to quality of service a lot of the time.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by scarface74 »

nopenopenopeno wrote: post #5

Universally necessary services like communication, healthcare, and social media (the digital plaza) can never be justly managed by private companies. It is an inherent structural contradiction that has failed and will continue to fail our society until we are willing to organize resistance beyond the realm of consumer choice.

Social media is not a “necessity”. He could have used his Facebook page to steer his community to his own hosted site and forum.

Do you really trust giving more power to the government?

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by JJMcJ »

_jal wrote: post #43
dylan604 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Imagine your DMV experiences but applied to this. Then again, based on stories like this, private seems to be even worse. Even the DMV has human interaction possible after demoralizing wait times unlike shouting into blackholes that is FAANG support

Tangent, but using the DMV as a horror-cliche anchor is very state-specific. I have experience with DMVs in six states. Five of those have always been perfectly fine, nothing to complain about. If I'm competent enough to get my paperwork right, it is just a 15 minute process. New York and California even take appointments, no waiting. I got my license way back when in Tennessee, and they were incompetent jerks, and t…

California used to be bad, but the appointments have really helped.

Also, the people who actually work at the DMV are pretty helpful, but they are way overworked. Once again, this is in California.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by basscomm »

new_guy wrote: post #6

Facebook is a cancer, take this as a sign to start your own social network. There's lots of 'off-the-shelf' scripts you can use (see codecanyon.net) You can rebuild your community in no time and make it better than it was.

This is good advice if you're technically savvy enough to be able to set up and maintain a website. If you're in the tech bubble long enough, though, it's easy to forget that most people aren't and don't want to be. You send them to a link to a bunch of scripts they can use to build a website and either their eyes will glaze over or they'll ask you to do it for them (or both).

I'm no fan of Facebook, and I absolutely believe that more people should make their own websites and communities on the Internet, but I'm realistic enough to know that most people just won't bother.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by nopenopenopeno »

bko wrote: post #10
nopenopenopeno wrote: post #5

Universally necessary services like communication, healthcare, and social media (the digital plaza) can never be justly managed by private companies. It is an inherent structural contradiction that has failed and will continue to fail our society until we are willing to organize resistance beyond the realm of consumer choice.

You're assuming that public organizations would run a more secure responsive network. My interactions with public institutions makes me doubt this assumption, especially for something as vast and complicated as facebook's network.

Public institutions governed by a democratic state not bought by private companies would absolutely do a better job. Realize we don’t have any public institutions in the United States. Our entire government works for multinational corporations, not the people living here.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by dn3500 »

Too late now, but it's a good idea to keep your own backups of all your FB data. There is a well-hidden option under the settings to make and download a zip file with all your posts, comments, photos, everything. Worst case this can be used to rebuild your community elsewhere.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker claimed ownership and then deleted my Facebook Page of 50k users

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Post by nopenopenopeno »

dylan604 wrote: post #13
bko wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're assuming that public organizations would run a more secure responsive network. My interactions with public institutions makes me doubt this assumption, especially for something as vast and complicated as facebook's network.

Exactly. Imagine your DMV experiences but applied to this. Then again, based on stories like this, private seems to be even worse. Even the DMV has human interaction possible after demoralizing wait times unlike shouting into blackholes that is FAANG support

The United States government, as well as the provincial state governments within it, are governed more by corporate boards than by the citizens who think they are participating in a democracy. This is not a secret. There is no such thing as a public institution in the United States.
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