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Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by kstenerud »

jb1991 wrote: post #53
kstenerud wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, she did. And she wanted the right to do it. She wanted the right to do with her body as she pleases, and the right to be seen as she pleases. And in doing so she fought censors, TV networks, the FBI, you name it. She fought her whole life against this kind of bullshit. And now Naomi has taken up the fight too, and is probably discovering just how unnecessarily heavy a burden it is.

My point is different. Is it the same fight? Is explicitly pushing boundaries because you want to be seen as sexualized and have the right to do so the same as trying to push those boundaries while claiming not to aim for sexualization? Honest question as they don’t seem the same. But maybe they are?

It's the same thing.

It's fighting against the stupid view that two lumps under your flesh are somehow evil and must be hidden away or punished somehow (but only if you're a woman), or that touching your crotch on television is an arrestable offence, or any other thing in that long list of stupidity.

It's about having rights over your own body, such that you can say "You don't like what you see? Well too bad, because it's my body and my right and you can't do a damn thing about it, nor do I have any obligation to explain myself."

It's primarily women who fight this battle because the rules are tilted far more against them. Most men can't even see the problem.

Here's an interesting thought experiment: A man gets breast implants and then goes around topless like he did before. Can you imagine the chaos that ensues? The legal questions? The social commentary about "decency"? The traumatized children? Can you see the hypocracy?

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by SexyCyborg »

somerando7 wrote: post #25
SexyCyborg wrote: post #6

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"She pretends to be some women's rights activist" I'm a mainland Chinese citizen with a high profile on Western Social Media, I can assure you I work very hard to make sure no one confuses me as a women's rights activist. Particularly not these days. "Yes the algorithm is capricious," Not the algorithm- all human moderation. "she's really just a purveyor of some weird type of titillation" Why not just have an Only Fa…

1 question: how do you know their videos aren't demonetized? Also, in my understanding, youtube only demonetizes PER VIDEO, not your whole account unless you do something serious, is that right?

>how do you know their videos aren't demonetized?

“No, there won't be an answer as to why men making nude female torsos will not be subject to the same enforcement and never have been.”

I pressed YouTube on are or would those videos with identical content be treated identically, over several emails- they refuse to answer. That model is an extremely common test print in the community and I’ve never heard of anyone being demonetized for it. I’m hardly going to test it by reporting them and I’m also worried that people may now go and report or otherwise brigade those videos- many of whom are incredibly supportive friends in the community so I don’t want to over emphasize this and have them somehow blamed for doing nothing wrong.

>Also, in my understanding, youtube only demonetizes PER VIDEO, not your whole account unless you do something serious, is that right?

That is correct, although in my case it has been becoming more common every month and more ridiculous each time. None of the adult content rulings have fallen within their own definition.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by will4274 »

ajross wrote: post #36
drawfloat wrote: post #19

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Not being funny, but there are plenty of western countries that don't go around censoring this stuff. There's one massive leader in it.

Why do people insist on conflating demonitization with censorship? Google isn't saying she can't put her body on YouTube, they're saying they don't think they can sell ads on that content. If advertisers would pay for controversial content, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Advertisers would pay for controversial content. They'd pay less, but they'd pay. TPB keeps selling ads somehow.

I think the reason people see demonization as censorship follows the same lines as seeing non-government censorship or "ceasing to do business" (in an industry that generally does business with everybody) as censorship. They aren't exactly going out and burning books, sure, but it's certainly exclusionary and it's certainly targeted.

What's wrong with demonitizing all the videos of gay people? "It's not censorship." Still seems to have most of the negative impacts of censorship. It's a spade to me.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by paulpauper »

deadalus wrote: post #30

Youtube Alternatives : Centralized : Dailymotion, Bitchute, Rumble, DTube, Vimeo, Vidlii, DLive, Triller Decentralized : Odysee(LBRY), Peertube

awesome ..1/1000 the traffic. no viralness, no recommendations, or discovery, no rev., needing to use 10+ platforms to equal 1/100 the traffic of YouTube

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by notRacistSir »

solarmist wrote: post #28
deltaonefour wrote: post #23

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> repressed puritanism of US culture in particular is kind of awful. Have you seen other cultures? US culture is one of the LEAST repressed cultures.

Except sexually. The US is significantly repressed there compared to all other aspects. Worldwide I’d put the US just on the conservative Side of the middle line regarding sexuality.

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Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by will4274 »

aaomidi wrote: post #27
deltaonefour wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> repressed puritanism of US culture in particular is kind of awful. Have you seen other cultures? US culture is one of the LEAST repressed cultures.

US doesn't really have a unified culture. Compared to countries that have a strong cultural weight on the world, the US is pretty puritan.

> Compared to countries that have a strong cultural weight on the world

This thread is a goldmine of the most politically correct ways to say "the middle east doesn't count"

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by paulpauper »

no_butterscotch wrote: post #49
deadalus wrote: post #30

Youtube Alternatives : Centralized : Dailymotion, Bitchute, Rumble, DTube, Vimeo, Vidlii, DLive, Triller Decentralized : Odysee(LBRY), Peertube

sigh Unfortunately, all of those suck. That is the reality. Like it or not. Vimeo has its use case, the arts mostly. Odysee is something I'll check out every now and then, but even there it's just YouTube creators using it as a back-up.

use case: being a reminder of why if you have a YouTube channel why not being banned should be your main priority. the drop from #1 to #2 platform is reaaaallllyy steep. Like trying to find eBay alternatives after you lose your ebay account..yeah good luck with that. Or PayPal alternatives. They all suck.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by helsinkiandrew »

oceanghost wrote: post #5

Sigh... while talented, she is constantly pushing the boundaries of taste and the YouTube TOS to gain subscribers. She pretends to be some women's rights activist when she's really just a purveyor of some weird type of titillation. Yes the algorithm is capricious, yes its arbitrary, and yes YouTube is evil. But she's clearly making a bust of herself naked. I'm sure if I put my balls on YouTube they'd be more than dem…

She is a conundrum: is she titillating or expressing herself, or maximising her reach?

It is a sad fact that if you took two women on youtube with equal talents and content - the one that "dressed up a little" would be more successful. I don't think that's the case with men (although Colin Furze and Integza do wear ties, maybe that's a factor in their success)

It hard to see how YouTube can defend their actions - her videos are far less titillating than many (most) music videos available (do a youtube video for "female rap video").

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by ur-whale »

oceanghost wrote: post #5

Sigh... while talented, she is constantly pushing the boundaries of taste and the YouTube TOS to gain subscribers. She pretends to be some women's rights activist when she's really just a purveyor of some weird type of titillation. Yes the algorithm is capricious, yes its arbitrary, and yes YouTube is evil. But she's clearly making a bust of herself naked. I'm sure if I put my balls on YouTube they'd be more than dem…

> boundaries of taste

Do you realize how totally subjective this sentence is?

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by SexyCyborg »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #68
oceanghost wrote: post #5

Sigh... while talented, she is constantly pushing the boundaries of taste and the YouTube TOS to gain subscribers. She pretends to be some women's rights activist when she's really just a purveyor of some weird type of titillation. Yes the algorithm is capricious, yes its arbitrary, and yes YouTube is evil. But she's clearly making a bust of herself naked. I'm sure if I put my balls on YouTube they'd be more than dem…

She is a conundrum: is she titillating or expressing herself, or maximising her reach? It is a sad fact that if you took two women on youtube with equal talents and content - the one that "dressed up a little" would be more successful. I don't think that's the case with men (although Colin Furze and Integza do wear ties, maybe that's a factor in their success) It hard to see how YouTube can defend their actions - her…

>She is a conundrum: is she titillating or expressing herself, or maximising her reach?

Initially, before I was Outed I could not explain any of it. Which was...frustrating at the time to say the least. Now, as shitty as getting Outted was I can at least reference part of the explanation: https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/139660466709473690...

But as to the rest, I'm still on the fence. I'd like to explain, but these things are very personal, and if I won't explain, I understand why people assume the most likely explanation even if it's unflattering to me. As I said, I'm very aware of my own role in all this.

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