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Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Not a police state to put in more restrictions after the bare minimum hasn't worked or been followed.

What does "worked" mean? Illness and risk lower, or simply people following orders? People have lost sight of the former after unrelenting emphasis on the latter. It's time to turn critical thinking skills back on.

Vaccinations prevent deaths and reduce stress on the healthcare system. They work, but they only work when people get them.

Read: When Did Mandatory Vaccinations Become Common? (article from 2015) https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/158827

There were 1282 cases of measles in 2019. Around 90% were caused by anti-vaxx hermit communities who freeload off the protections of the police, military, healthcare system, and other services, but live here and put others at risk because magical beliefs makes them "special". If you reject vaccinations, then I suggest you should sign a waiver that you also reject healthcare. Can't have it both ways. "Ounce of prevention."

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Hopefully then the companies are just as willing to pay fines for following illegal rules put in place without following the parliamentary process.

Even if the rule were found illegal, it wouldn't be illegal for any company to refuse access based on vaccination status, so no chance the company would be forced to pay a fine.

I'm not so certain that'd be legal. The idea maybe would have a footing if wanting to prevent those who are actually infectious, e.g. requiring proof of a negative COVID test, and because these vaccines don't prevent infection - and may actually lead to it being easier to catch [and therefore spread] COVID - it isn't akin to a negative COVID test result.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Where exactly do we draw the line? I'm young, slim, healthy, unvaccinated, not tested positive for Covid once even after my housemates had it. "There is not a single example of a country with less than 40% of the population overweight that has high death rates (over 10 per 100,000). Similarly, no country with a death rate over 100 per 100,000 had less than 50% of their population overweight" Are we going to start ban…

Do you wear a seatbelt? Why do you refuse to get vaccinated? There are plenty of young, slim, healthy, unvaccinated people who also died. Your "choice" is inconsiderate to others in society who may catch it from you, that it may mutate in you and cause a worse variant, to people who care about you, and to the EMS and healthcare workers who you feel entitled to lean on when they're already overworked. This isn't about…

Sure I wear a seatbelt. It's not invasive in any way and wearing it poses no risk to my health. Not comparable to vaccination in the slightest, that has numerous risks and is still undergoing trials and studies related to safety and efficacy. Let me remind you that these therapies, have been approved for emergency use.

The young, slim, healthy unvaccinated that you're talking about are such a tiny amount of people that I do not consider myself at any real risk. Like I said, I've not tested positive once the entire pandemic and I suspect that's largely to do with having a good immune system, so will clear the virus naturally, plus taking other sensible measures like wearing masks and avoiding large indoor gatherings.

I take other measures to limit the spread. The vaccine is not a panacea, it helps reduce severity for the most vulnerable so let them take it. The virus can also mutate in vaccinated people, in other mammals, it is hyperbole to suggest unvaccinated are largely responsible for all the negative aspects of Covid, completely politicised. The people that care for me respect my decision and quite honestly at this point agree, the majority of vaccinated people that I know will not be getting boosters.

Regarding health workers, I have 3 cousins and an aunt that all work in healthcare (plus some friends). From a renal nurse, ICU nurse to doctors and radiologist. I don't want to put words in their mouth, but our healthcare system has been at critical levels for years prior to the pandemic. This can only be solved by improving our infrastructure. They all respect peoples right to choose what medical treatment they want to receive. If you want to talk about duty to be respectable, when you do not know me or my contributions, then perhaps you should think about your attitude and moral grandstanding?

As my previous comment highlighted, my country has 63% of adults overweight. America is 68%. Their burden on the health system is immense, far greater than the unvaccinated. Should we ostracise them and limit their access to parts of society for everyone elses benefit? If the population was <40% overweight, we would not be facing the crisis in hospitals.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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https://www.quebec.ca/en/health/health-issues/a-z/2019-coron... The most recent data on the evolution of COVID-19, in the last 24 hours, in Québec show: 4,150 new cases, bringing the total number of people infected to 845,564*; 73 new deaths, for a total of 13,009 deaths; 3,270 hospitalizations, for a decrease of 8 compared to the previous day; 297 new entries, 305 new discharges; 252 people in intensive care, for a…

PCR tests are only done on essential workers so the real case number is WAY higher.

rt RT-qPCR (faster, gene identification) or RT-PCR (slower, complete sequencing)? Where are we talking about?

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

#155
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Creating a competitive advantage for non-big box stores? This is an incredibly odd policy.

> Creating a competitive advantage for non-big box stores? Sometimes the law of unintended consequences works in a positive manner :)

I'd probably cry if I couldn't shop at Costco.

The price differential between corporate chain grocery stores and big box stores reminds me of that between convenience stores and said grocery stores.

I'm wondering if a big box store went completely delivery-only (close all stores) with a minimum order of say $300, would profits go up or down. I'm wondering if it would be possible to guesstimate P&L close enough in each scenario to find the overall more likely capital-efficient business model.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Stop asking questions, stop having concerns and compassion for my fellow humans, stop conversation as part of scientific process? Who's more likely the person who should stop their behaviour - you or me? Alright, so that's one article - and across Canada - now what about specific demographics? What about the 2nd year of the pandemic? Specific demographics matter because, for example, risk of myocarditis for young boy…

stop pushing against the health and safety measures that have helped Canada avoid the brutal death rates that America has.

Lazy response. Citations needed. You have no idea what you're talking about, you're talking out of your ass: respond to my specific points. Comorbidities play a major role in hospitalization and death and overall Canadians are healthier than Americans, for one point - but you're clearly not interested in deepening your understanding and put out lazy generalized statements like you just replied with - in an attempt to lazily demonize me.

The lack of effort you put into being willing to engage should be a signal to yourself that you're not well-enough versed into actually making statements like you're making.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

#157

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That sounds like a problem with health infrastructure. So because leaders did not put in the needed health infrastructure to serve the population, basic rights(buying food) are violated for some.

> basic rights(buying food) are violated for some. vaccines are free.

I don't understand why people believe choosing to put their lives and the lives of others at risk is somehow "noble", "courageous", "convenient", or "smarter that scientists." Maybe I didn't do enough "research" (i.e., check gossip on Facebook and green ink underground blogs) on the latest conspiracies.

Edit: Plus, my rights and the rights of the majority of people were violated by quarantining for a year because idiots, ignorant, and reckless individuals caused community spread. If the rights of everyone had been uniformly violated with a strict quarantine for a month at the outset, it would've been contained in the US like China did. When the US stops wanting to be so "Great" it might be able to check its own ego and do what's vital for the survival of its people. It's another item that could form the basis of a sequel to "Where to Invade Next?" that showed how the US doubles-down on failure when other countries are far better in particular systems.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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post #156

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stop pushing against the health and safety measures that have helped Canada avoid the brutal death rates that America has.

Lazy response. Citations needed. You have no idea what you're talking about, you're talking out of your ass: respond to my specific points. Comorbidities play a major role in hospitalization and death and overall Canadians are healthier than Americans, for one point - but you're clearly not interested in deepening your understanding and put out lazy generalized statements like you just replied with - in an attempt to…

You've convinced me. We need to open up. It's critical for people's mental health that people need to see marvel movies in theatre unmasked. dead bodies be damned.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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post #156

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Lazy response. Citations needed. You have no idea what you're talking about, you're talking out of your ass: respond to my specific points. Comorbidities play a major role in hospitalization and death and overall Canadians are healthier than Americans, for one point - but you're clearly not interested in deepening your understanding and put out lazy generalized statements like you just replied with - in an attempt to…

You've convinced me. We need to open up. It's critical for people's mental health that people need to see marvel movies in theatre unmasked. dead bodies be damned.

Oh wow, look at that, how surprising that you're being sarcastic and go to an all-or-nothing response that lacks nuance and critical thinking.

"All-or-nothing thinking is one of many negative thought processes, known as cognitive distortions, that are common among people with anxiety and depression. When thinking in all-or-nothing terms, you split your views into extremes."

Perhaps you have anxiety or are depressed and aren't capable of thinking critically on the issue?

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