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Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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Post by standardUser »

nostromo wrote: post #639
buryat wrote: post #597

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simple numbers show that unvaccinated get covid at higher rates and the number of hospitalizations is higher which puts strain on the hospitals. If something happens to me I dont want an unvaccinated taking a spot I need.

What about smokers? What about the obese? What about people who took risks and acquired HIV?

Our hospital capacity is already built out to deal with public health issue that it already deals with. This is a special case (if you somehow did not notice - how often have you heard about hospital overcrowding in the US before?).

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Post by ghoward »

FabHK wrote: post #304
enchiridion wrote: post #242

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Some people really just don’t want an experimental vaccine which sidestepped the usual regulatory approval.

Should get BioNTech/Pfizer then, which got the usual regulatory approval.

Cominarty is not available in the United States. [1]

[1]: https://dossier.substack.com/p/bait-and-switch-there-remains...

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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Post by tunesmith »

nu11ptr wrote: post #571
tzs wrote: post #30

Something from the NYT mailing list yesterday: > The Covid vaccines are remarkably effective at preventing serious illness. If you’re vaccinated, your chances of getting severely sick are extremely low. Even among people 65 and older, the combination of the vaccines’ effectiveness and the Omicron variant’s relative mildness means that Covid now appears to present less danger than a normal flu. > For the unvaccinated,…

Apologies in advance for getting on my soapbox, but this has been on my mind for a while. The way in which the media has gotten everyone to say "the unvaccinated" is a 'disease' against basic science (not even getting into the divisive nature of this). I would go as far as saying if you read any paper, study, or other that refers to the "unvaccinated" as a single cohort, you are reading vaccine propaganda, not scienc…

Some unvaccinated are immunocompromised.

I know someone who could not get vaccinated for medical reasons (legitimately), and caught it, and died.

It just really sucks to know that the person I know would more likely be alive if not for the choices of others.

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Post by javagram »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #101
somedude895 wrote: post #88

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Also, a lot of government employees' jobs now depend on keeping these systems in place in one form or another...

Indeed, and I also sense a lot of Department of Healths at the state level will seek to track the yearly flu-shoot with this system as well. Not necessarily mandating it for public participation, but as a public health measure. The amount of productivity lost due to the seasonal flu is substantial, and the amount of data that can be gleaned from such a database is too tantalizing to ignore.

FYI, departments of health have already been tracking vaccinations in a database for years before COVID. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/programs/iis/resources-refs/faq...

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Post by javagram »

nobody9999 wrote: post #258
generalenvelope wrote: post #98

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Obesity is a complicated disease that manifests through a variety of biological, behavioral, and environmental factors. These factors differ widely between individuals. I think there are mandates that could help make the disease less prevalent, but it is very much ingrained in our daily life, so I'm cynical as to the efficacy of such measures. It's very difficult to mandate behavioral (look at how many people don't e…

>Obesity is a complicated disease that manifests through a variety of biological, behavioral, and environmental factors. Obesity is not a disease . It is a condition defined as a Body Mass Index (BMI) of >30[0]. Yes, there are a variety of factors that contribute to a BMI >30, but like "tobacco use disorder," it's emphatically not a disease. Some obesity may be related to actual diseases, but obesity in itself isn't…

FYI, clicking on another page from your link states obesity is a ”serious chronic disease”. https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/about-obesity/index.html

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Post by standardUser »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #372
srcreigh wrote: post #257

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Encouraging natural immunity is asking for hospitals to get filled up by people giving themselves covid on purpose. This affects non covid patients too. I suspect that's why the media doesn't do it.

This response is actually an example of what I'm talking about. The comment that I replied to was explaining how the segment of the population that is a candidate for giving themselves covid while being high risk is (and has been) shrinking out of existence. Meanwhile, there is a much larger (and growing) cohort that continues to be harrased if they (fairly) decide they don't need these vaccines, and the harrasment i…

Until the people hoarding ICU beds and grinding medical staff into the ground are no longer disproportionately unvaccinated COVID patients, I don't see anyone caring too much about the distinction.

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Post by perfectstorm »

spookthesunset wrote: post #858
beams_of_light wrote: post #314

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Eradication is not the goal. Making sure hospitals aren't overwhelmed with COVID patients is the goal. Catching COVID is potentially dangerous and often times results in long recovery window. Vaccination is harmless and works. The thread will never subside; this is a new virus we will have to live with for the rest of our lives - especially considering we can't seem to get everyone to do the right thing, even with go…

> Making sure hospitals aren't overwhelmed with COVID patients is the goal. So fix the capacity issue and your problem is solved without toxic, corrosive and highly controversial government mandates with dubious efficacy. I mean, thus far they've had 2 years to fix the "overwhelmed with COVID patients" problem so we wouldn't have to do all this. At this point it's all just excuses. What gives?

> So fix the capacity issue

even if a government build 100 new hospitals in a state do you think they can get enough healthcare workers? at least in Chicago reagion, they are having hard time finding healthcare workers. it's not like hospitals can go to a Med school and ask for 1000 new doctors, respiratory therapists and nurses.

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Post by tunesmith »

eloff wrote: post #631
nu11ptr wrote: post #571

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Apologies in advance for getting on my soapbox, but this has been on my mind for a while. The way in which the media has gotten everyone to say "the unvaccinated" is a 'disease' against basic science (not even getting into the divisive nature of this). I would go as far as saying if you read any paper, study, or other that refers to the "unvaccinated" as a single cohort, you are reading vaccine propaganda, not scienc…

I've also noticed this. I have covid right now. I'm double vaccinated. I was planning to get my booster shot, but now that I've had covid what's the point. It's not likely to increase my immunity and it comes with risks. At some point the government will probably change the definition of fully vaccinated to three shots and then I'll be in that unvaccinated group I usually make fun of. Somebody I know lost their job b…

> now that I've had covid what's the point.

Because the booster increases future immunity and decreases the chance that you'll pass future infection to others.

> It's not likely to increase my immunity

Yes it is. I don't know why people are so certain it won't.

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-11-27/protection-... for instance.

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Post by version_five »

nu11ptr wrote: post #571
tzs wrote: post #30

Something from the NYT mailing list yesterday: > The Covid vaccines are remarkably effective at preventing serious illness. If you’re vaccinated, your chances of getting severely sick are extremely low. Even among people 65 and older, the combination of the vaccines’ effectiveness and the Omicron variant’s relative mildness means that Covid now appears to present less danger than a normal flu. > For the unvaccinated,…

Apologies in advance for getting on my soapbox, but this has been on my mind for a while. The way in which the media has gotten everyone to say "the unvaccinated" is a 'disease' against basic science (not even getting into the divisive nature of this). I would go as far as saying if you read any paper, study, or other that refers to the "unvaccinated" as a single cohort, you are reading vaccine propaganda, not scienc…

It's also sociopathic. We've stopped caring about the people around us and created a group to hate that we refer to in a dehumanizing way. You may not agree with their choices, but they are still people and it should be beneath us to dehumanize "them" - actually our neighbors. It's actually horrifying from a human perspective

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Post by diamondo25 »

animal_spirits wrote: post #677
dahfizz wrote: post #654

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> Because the data shows they don't matter. Source? Because the CDC says otherwise. > In the first full week of October, vaccinated New Yorkers with a prior Covid-19 case were 19.8 times less likely to catch the virus than their unvaccinated and uninfected peers, whereas people who were unvaccinated but previously infected were 14.7 times less likely, and vaccinated but uninfected New Yorkers were just 4.5 times less…

I think what they are suggesting is that natural immunity + vaccine is also more protective than just natural immunity

But natural immunity doesn't work if you die or end up having severe loss of health, so vaccine + natural immunity would be best way.
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