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Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates
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Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates
#842Good, now try to convince the French. The vaccine passport is such a bad idea.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2022-01-...
Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates
#843Earlier quoted context omitted.
>It has killed more than 865,000 Americans It looks like that's more Americans than have been killed in combat in all of the wars of the 20th century combined [1] Granted it's less than the UK lost in WW1 alone, so it's perhaps more a testament to how few the US managed to loose in the world wars (compared to Europe), but it's still wild to realize. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1009819/total-us-militar...
I know this is going to sound conspiratorial but I think you’d have to be pretty naive to accept the reported deaths in the US due to Covid to be that accurate. Hospitals(which in the US are for profit mind you) were quite literally given more money for reporting a death as a Covid death for a period of time. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fac... Actually you could say it’s difficult to trus…
This is just one reason for doubting the accuracy of the reported number of COVID-related deaths. Fauci, Chicago's Department of Public Health, and others have admitted that they've counted deaths as COVID deaths if the person tested positive for COVID while in the hospital. Dying from COVID and dying with COVID are two different things, but both have been lumped together in the CDC's death tally.
Some doctors are reporting adverse/fatal effects associated with the use of Remdesivir (which hospitals are using to treat COVID patients). These issues include acute kidney injury, bradycardia, and death. The CDC has counted these deaths as COVID deaths as well.
There are also other aspects of COVID that seem difficult to suss out. For example, how many people have died from the vaccines? VAERS is reporting 22,193 vaccine-related deaths and over 1 million adverse reactions. There are also deaths and suicides caused by our response to COVID; e.g., the lockdowns, depression, job loss, fear of going to the doctor/hospital due to COVID, etc. Those aren't being counted as COVID-related deaths by the CDC, but perhaps they should be.
Even if you removed all the politicization/propaganda of both COVID and the vaccines, it still seems like we've made a lot of mistakes during the past two years that would make producing an accurate death count virtually impossible.
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#844Earlier quoted context omitted.
> why are they so adamant to vaccinate those with prior infection Because the data shows they don't matter. This is the same thing as deaths due to covid vs. deaths while positive to covid. Sure some people might have been miscounted as covid deaths but actually died due to cancer/car accident/whatever. Despite this the excess deaths over the past two years is much higher than the number of covid deaths; thus showing…
Data has been showing 80/20 vaxed/non vaxed hospitalizations for this new variant. How does that change your worldview?
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#845Earlier quoted context omitted.
> partly because it's easier for the government to just tell everyone to get vaccinated. Do you make no allocation in your mind for the potential that the government is corrupted and the motivations have nothing really to do with public health?
So every government, the world over, even those at war with each other, all decided to push a "get vaccinated" message for reasons other than health? I mean, governments want to ensure their income stream (tax payers) are alive to pay taxes, but that's hardly "corrupt" and is still to do, indirectly, with public health
> So every government, the world over, even those at war with each other, all decided
Yes, it's quite a possibility. Please read into the growing concentration of world power via corporations and un-elected organization like the WEF and WHO. Further, please read into puplic-private partnerships.
Our world is a global one these days and nearly every government is corrupted by a form of corporatism.
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#846Earlier quoted context omitted.
I do trust pharma companies now, more than ever. They offered us a way out of this mess, after all. On the other hand, I do trust the politicians much less.
They made tens of billions of dollars with zero liability and a rubber stamp from the fda...these are still the same toxic companies that have been sued for billions of dollars and benefitted from decades of lobbying and regulatory capture. They have an army of lawyers on standby on the off chance that someone does find a loophole through which to sue them over adverse effects if they prove to be substantial. Meanwhi…
I don't trust big pharma but it's not true they got a rubber stamp. Most vaccine projects were called off because they wouldn't get approved or rejected.
Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates
#847Earlier quoted context omitted.
> why are they so adamant to vaccinate those with prior infection Because the data shows they don't matter. This is the same thing as deaths due to covid vs. deaths while positive to covid. Sure some people might have been miscounted as covid deaths but actually died due to cancer/car accident/whatever. Despite this the excess deaths over the past two years is much higher than the number of covid deaths; thus showing…
>died due to cancer/car accident The WHO definition of a covid death means that they can only be counted as covid deaths if there's a clinical link between cause of death and covid. Ergo, cancer and car accident victims with covid wouldn't be counted. I suppose it depends on how your country defines it and if it follows WHO guidelines
Correct, that's why I characterized them as miscounts.
There are popular theories about thousands of such miscounts happening to get more money from the government, but it makes no sense for them to be more than a small minority of mistakes.
Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates
#848Earlier quoted context omitted.
> partly because it's easier for the government to just tell everyone to get vaccinated. Do you make no allocation in your mind for the potential that the government is corrupted and the motivations have nothing really to do with public health?
Sorry, but in my opinion that is a silly thing to believe. I'm assuming you're from a liberal democracy, what if I told you you could have _your_ name on the (local) ballot next time a $LOCAL vote comes around? The government, for the most part, is not an evil cabal of deep state cultists (in most countries that describe themselves as liberal today). People like you or me can join a party, and then get elected within…
Sure, I could end up voted in as the mayor of a small town. That's nothing like making it into congress.
A small town mayor has none of the power a member of congress would.
In democracy the larger the seat, the larger the infrastructure required to get there.
The funding of this infrastructure brings the necessity of corruption.
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#849Earlier quoted context omitted.
"... has killed more than 865,000 Americans, ..." Can we start holding people and publications to differentiating for past variant vs. Omicron, etc? It deserves and necessitates such nuance.
I don't see how we could ask that of either people or publications - the data simply doesn't exist. Only a tiny fraction of Covid cases get genetically sequenced.
So perhaps we should add huge qualifiers to all these scary sounding numbers, eh? Because the lack of context throughout this pandemic has created vast amounts of ungrounded, unchecked fear and hysteria.
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#850Earlier quoted context omitted.
Source? That might mean we’re approaching herd immunity and critical mass for vaccinated people in the population, which would be fantastic.
https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data#casesByVaccinationStatus
The same source gives roughly 60/40 for hospitalizations and 50/50 for ICU, so the more severe the symptoms the more vaccinations help.