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Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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>A statement on Costco’s website states that as per their Code of Ethics, they are required to comply with the law wherever they operate. Either support it or don't, but this lukewarm response of "I'm just obeying orders" is cowardly.

Companies just need to follow laws, they don't need an opinion on everything.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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https://www.quebec.ca/en/health/health-issues/a-z/2019-coron...

The most recent data on the evolution of COVID-19, in the last 24 hours, in Québec show:

    4,150 new cases, bringing the total number of people infected to 845,564*;
    73 new deaths, for a total of 13,009 deaths;
    3,270 hospitalizations, for a decrease of 8 compared to the previous day;
        297 new entries,
        305 new discharges;
    252 people in intensive care, for a decrease of 11 compared to the previous day;
        31 new entries,
        42 new discharges;
    38,734 samples conducted on January 24.

I wonder how this action will improve on these numbers.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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https://www.quebec.ca/en/health/health-issues/a-z/2019-coron... The most recent data on the evolution of COVID-19, in the last 24 hours, in Québec show: 4,150 new cases, bringing the total number of people infected to 845,564*; 73 new deaths, for a total of 13,009 deaths; 3,270 hospitalizations, for a decrease of 8 compared to the previous day; 297 new entries, 305 new discharges; 252 people in intensive care, for a…

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Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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post #4

The UK, Denmark and others moving to get rid of ALL restrictions. Meanwhile Canada, Australia and others devolving into police states... Edit - forgot some other countries. Netherlands, Ireland also ditching restrictions...

As someone who lived in Canada, lives next to Australia, and lives in New Zealand, I wouldn't suggest any of these places are 'devolving into police states'. Having people do stuff to protect the safety of themselves and others is part of the social contract of these countries. We wear seatbelts. We wear helmets on Motorbikes. All things that restrict our freedom to damage ourselves. Because who incurs the cost of wh…

As an Australian who was concerned enough to emigrate, i'd suggest learning about the security laws passed over the last 10 years and considering how it matches the opportunistic actions taken during the pandemic. Maybe you like the police state and it is somewhat democratic so far but that doesnt mean isn't quite literally a police state.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

#45
post #28
post #17

This is unquestionably good, as long as pickups and dropoffs are available.

What makes it unquestionable? There's no data or science to back this up, it's the definition of questionable.

There is a lot of data showing unvaccinated are at higher risk of severe illness and spread disease more than vaccinated folks. You are wrong.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/vaccinated-people-can...

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/2021112...

The data is clear.

They're not banned from buying groceries, they're banned from entering the stores - which unquestionably would lead to them spreading the virus more than vaccinated people entering stores.

They're still allowed to do pickup and delivery orders. Or better yet, get vaccinated.

edit: in the information I linked it is made clear that vaccinated folks _can_ spread the virus. That is true and I never said otherwise. The fact is they spread the virus at much lower rates, for shorter periods of time, than unvaccinated folks. For this reason people should wear N95s when interacting with folks outside of their bubble. In my experience vaccinated folks are more likely to wear their masks, and properly, as well, but I've got no data on that.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

#46
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And overweight people make up to 65% of those. See a dark pattern here ?

Obesity is a multifactorial societal problem with possible environmental and chemical factors, while covid can be vaccinated against with a simple jab.

Just to be more precise, unvaccinated people represent 26% of new hospitalizations in quebec, and 40% in ICU according to the official dashboard [1].

The efficiency against omicron is very limited, thus the huge deprivations we see here are politically motivated. I feel like I’m living a scary dystopia.

1 - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJt95WHXMAEHzyp?format=jpg&name=...

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

#47
post #4

The UK, Denmark and others moving to get rid of ALL restrictions. Meanwhile Canada, Australia and others devolving into police states... Edit - forgot some other countries. Netherlands, Ireland also ditching restrictions...

Denmark is moving to getting rid of ALL restrictions.

We'll see. They did that in September of course, only to re-introduce them 2 months later.

Keep in mind they're only able to do this (if it ends up working) because they have the highest vaccination rate in Europe. What Quebec's rates are, I don't know.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

#49
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And overweight people make up to 65% of those. See a dark pattern here ?

Obesity is a multifactorial societal problem with possible environmental and chemical factors, while covid can be vaccinated against with a simple jab.

What about the integrity of clinical trials - that's a multifactorial societal problem too, right? E.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2GKPYzL_JQ

I'd greatly appreciate or urge people watch the full ~10 minute testimony of Maddie De Garay's mother before commenting or downvoting.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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post #2

The public policy responses to this pandemic would make a whole lot more sense if intramuscular (humoral) vaccination actually prevented (or even significantly mitigated) the spread of sars-cov-2. Unfortunately humoral vaccination only starts the B cell to plasma cells training and generation of igG antibodies in the body serum to protect internal organs. Other immune compartments like the upper respiratory mucosa ar…

Covid vaccines did do a decent job at preventing spread in the original variants, and actually even now (unless I'm mistaken, it's hard to entirely keep up) the vaccines still cut the probability of you being infected at any point in time

This is false.

I challenge anyone to find any statement, from any of the mRNA vaccine manufacturers, from any point in time, that claims the vaccines reduce transmission even a tiny bit.

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