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The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Well, Theranos was a fork of existing, well-understood blood testing methodology. It was a house of cards built out of lies and falsehoods in order to enrich the founder and associates. Exactly like crypto often is.

"www companies are just a way for VCs to make money faster. "

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We make people pay for a business account and extra on top to get a static ip. The amount of support from people that know just enough to think they need to do home hosting is a multiple more than a typical home user. The people that actually know what they are doing have to pay more but I never hear from them.

This sounds just like my experience with Comcast Business. Except, because I came with my own modem, they won't let me get the static IP. They would need to come back to my place and replace my modem with their own version of that same modem, they tell me, before they will be willing to take my $50/month to give me a static IP. I told them I would agree to this if they would at least not charge me for the modem, but…

Much as I loathe Comcast residential service, their business service has been solid except for that ludicrous requirement.

Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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I have never understood people who mourn the death of the "old" internet because I do not feel I have lost it. Particular communities come and go, as they always have, but I have found that the I can find the same sorts of gathering places for the same kinds of people I always have - in about the same numbers too. The thing that has changed is that a huge swath of new people have come online and, though some of what…

> I have never understood people . . . because I do not feel . . .

I think I've spotted the problem!

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I have never understood people who mourn the death of the "old" internet because I do not feel I have lost it. Particular communities come and go, as they always have, but I have found that the I can find the same sorts of gathering places for the same kinds of people I always have - in about the same numbers too. The thing that has changed is that a huge swath of new people have come online and, though some of what…

> I have never understood people . . . because I do not feel . . . I think I've spotted the problem!

You caught me! I am actually a terminator. :)

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I don't think this is an apt analogy either because it still suggests that something was lost, when that's not the case, rather the internet grew in new places that have come to dwarf the places that came before. The overwhelming majority of users on the new internet didn't exist on the old internet.

> I don't think this is an apt analogy either because it still suggests that something was lost Here we disagree and you are wrong ;-) Of all the old forum lore most of it is lost for the overwhelming majority of internet users. Some copies exist on old drives here and there, some exist in the internet archive but nothing has been migrated to newer platforms. Mailing lists were for a long time conserved by Google but…

I mean, of course "something" was lost? But...things were lost all of the time at the height of the old internet as well. No tech change needed. Communities would rise and fall, maintainers would move on and stop making things available, etc. It seems to me That is just how things change over time.

Like...if IRC was still the height of community, many of the IRC communities that were the most popular in 1998 would still be dead and gone now. Their archives would probably still be lost (it's not like we were better at archiving then). Like for any particular community that you can look back on and see people moving away from it into something else, I suspect people would still have moved away - they just would have moved away to a new IRC instead of...twitter or github or discord or whatever.

It just seems, to me, that people see normal cyclical community transition and blame the fact that it happened at a time when new kinds of communities were rising. I am not convinced that the two have much to do with each other.

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I have never understood people who mourn the death of the "old" internet because I do not feel I have lost it. Particular communities come and go, as they always have, but I have found that the I can find the same sorts of gathering places for the same kinds of people I always have - in about the same numbers too. The thing that has changed is that a huge swath of new people have come online and, though some of what…

Ah, I love that the top voted comment is someone mentioning Hotline. I'm logged into my friend's server - one I've been frequenting regularly since it was started in 2001 - at this very moment! I also ran my own server for years, of course. I really want to build "IRCCloud but for Hotline" sometime. I mean, just a basic self-hosted thing to start with. One of these days... haha Recently I've started noticing people h…

When I was a freshman in college I ran into an elder geek who was dating one of the dorm RAs. They were super cool, had neat hobbies, seemed much smarter than me and I was desperate to impress them. The only thing I mentioned that made them seem to re-evaluate me was when I mentioned spending time on hotline. It was a fascinating place around the year 2000!

Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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I have never understood people who mourn the death of the "old" internet because I do not feel I have lost it. Particular communities come and go, as they always have, but I have found that the I can find the same sorts of gathering places for the same kinds of people I always have - in about the same numbers too. The thing that has changed is that a huge swath of new people have come online and, though some of what…

That's a very charitable assessment. The problem is the oversaturation of everything with politics (politics is the lowest-common-denominator subject that everyone can argue about). The loud politics minorities are so numerous now that they can easily sway the attention of even niche communities. You can see that most glaringly on reddit where pretty much all important conversations are destroyed by becoming the same…

I do think that the way politics interacts with communities has changed over time, though I think that has been driven by how the US and Europe (where most community members live) political climates have changed?

> The loud politics minorities are so numerous now that they can easily sway the attention of even niche communities.

I kinda know what you mean, but my memory of the 90s / early 2000s is that loud political minorities were everywhere and commonly created a lot of drama in communities. It was just rare-er for...the moderators to step in? Often because they were the loud political minority who had opinions that people felt were divisive.

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If I was talking to my mom sure. But were talking on HN here, clicking around your routers web UI shouldn't be too difficult for anyone here to figure out. And honestly if you can't figure that out you shouldn't be exposing your stuff to the internet anyway, you will become a part of a botnet in short order. Setting up Apache properly is a much bigger PITA for anything other than a static html use IMHO.

I wanna thank you for the time you took to lay it out. And, I'm gonna need to look up everything you mentioned, cuz it's more like a 301 for me not 101. I don't even know what a port 80 is! In the 90s I taught myself html to build out stuff, but never had to host anything. Apache? I've heard it a thousand times. Couldn't tell you what it was. So, yeah. Assume I'm yr mom. This is also a good example of why web2 came t…

Let me just warn you- running a webserver requires technical skill- you will be providing an open door into your computer and network if you go down this path. But its not so hard if you google each of those sections, at least to get something basic going.

I don't think anyone was lamenting that its not super duper easy to create a freestanding website these days, just that its becoming increasingly difficult to without requiring centralized services- most notably ssl.

web2 also generally refers to web2.0 where we moved from static webpages and webpages that could only really change in significant ways if you hit refresh, to dynamically updated webpages, initially using AJAX, but there are now a myriad of ways to do so- but this allowed clunky web pages to have capabilities that are more or less at parity with desktop applications. Then again with all this web3 talk, what "web2" refers to may get distorted over time.

But yeah- running your own web infrastructure is work and hence why wordpress and other blog service providers, as well as even things like Geocities were/are so popular. While it is a lot more common these days, but even having a computer that was on 24/7/365 was not common and this was reason enough to use a hosted solution. Most of my friends have some sort of media server setup that is on 24/7 these days, but we are admittedly likely still outliers on this, compared to entirely non-technical people.

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I mean, most "unique view counters" store the users IP address, so that would be right out. I'm fairly sure even being aware of what complying with a complex legal documents implies constitutes enough of a complication that it's worth mentioning. It is a complication, but I believe it's worded so that small companies and individuals are immune from its consequences.

You could always hash the IP on the client side before sending it to your counter. That way you have no information which you can backtrack to a specific IP and therefore a person.

Except there's so few IPs (v4) you could just bruteforce it in not too much time.

Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Slightly related: I may want to contribute to the cause by building a very small personal site on a broadband connection (unfiltered public dynamic IP plus DuckDns) after I solve some health problems and relocate, hopefully within a few months. If I'm lucky I should get a better connection than the roughly 60down/22up I have now, which would seem ridiculous for that use, but I'd make a strictly static site, no Javasc…

Are you saying 22Mbps upload is ridiculous for hosting a website? I may be parsing your comment wrong...

Anyways if it's a static site with little JS and not too many smallish images, that'll be plenty of bandwidth for a personal site. If a page load is 1MB (that's a lot for this sort of website!) that'll let you serve up to ~2.75 requests per second/86.4k requests per day which is a lot of traffic! And if the burst is double that, then your page load will merely take twice as long.

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