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Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by avgcorrection »

dbsmith83 wrote: post #6
tazjin wrote: post #5

I think it's imperative that governments all over the world take steps to reduce dependence on American infrastructure. Russia is working on this, but it's a slow process - especially on the hardware side of things. If the US goes (more) rogue at some point, Europe will be left holding the bag. The sphere around Russia and China will make it, but what does Europe have?

This is ironic considering Russia and China are already quite authoritarian societies. China is especially heavy handed on the surveillance side of things.

Authoritarian state that tries to reject the influence of another authoritarian state...

I’ll take “Things that are not at all ironic” for $500, Pete.

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by jrs235 »

viktorcode wrote: post #36
brightstep wrote: post #11

Tech companies only stand to gain from partnering with an invasive government. The idea that they'd side with us over the state that regulates them and provides a market to seek profit is a fantasy

Until their clients learn about it. And then they stand to lose.

Until their primary/main client is/are governments.

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by Clubber »

sh4un wrote: post #14
dbsmith83 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is ironic considering Russia and China are already quite authoritarian societies. China is especially heavy handed on the surveillance side of things.

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>US where every single individual believes they are entitled to some special rights and privileges because of entitlement.

Most of these are encoded in law in the Bill of Rights. The US government is doing its damndest to ignore and/or circumvent these rights though on several levels like surveillance, arrest for peaceful protest/assembly/redress, arrest for refusing to ID without suspicion of a crime, civil asset forfeiture, etc.

Once you lose these rights, they are historically impossible to get back, in most cases, without some sort of long term violence.

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by toyg »

spicybright wrote: post #2

"This is not a drill" makes me think there's an immediate threat that needs full attention, especially from snowden's account. Is this just more twitter slang to add emphasis?

You have to additionally consider that Snowden resides in a country under a "managed democracy" (to be charitable), and widely believed to be currently undergoing preparations for war. He probably expects his communication freedoms to be curtailed very, very shortly. To him it's definitely not a drill.

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by Tostino »

Zababa wrote: post #19
Clubber wrote: post #4

>Reminder to Silicon Valley: there’s an even chance that many governments in the world will be run by authoritarian movements in the future. Your window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out. Tech companies don't have a great human rights history when there is money to be made. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

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Thanks for that, wasn't aware of AP involvement with the Nazis before.

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by tazjin »

avgcorrection wrote: post #58
tazjin wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh yeah, I'm aware. My hopes aren't placed in Europe, I live in Moscow :) It is fascinating that the topic seems to get so little thought in Europe though.

Moscow is in Europe my friend. I guess this is like the Brits who talk about “Europe” as if it was a separate place even though they can literally drive to France.

I'm using "Europe" largely in the sense of "influence sphere of EU/Germany". I'd count the UK (and countries like Norway, Switzerland) into this influence sphere, even if they're not officially members.

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by weljlkjlkerg »

It's painfully obvious OP is talking about a smart phone and a vax passport.

You don't have to be "anti-vax" (which is a stupid stupid term) to be anti-vax-passport.

The people pushing for vax passports have no clue what they are unleashing. It is absolutely fascist, evil and incredibly surprising to me that 99% of the people on this website are in 100% favor of it.

EVIL.

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by weljlkjlkerg »

avgcorrection wrote: post #44
azangru wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This fills me with dread, resentment and anger. I wanted a future where I would be the master of technology, and what I am getting instead is more of the "I can't let you do this, Dave" vibe. I want to live in a community of individuals, not be subjugated to whatever happens to feed the anxieties and neuroses of society. Is there... will there be a way to resist this obscenity?

> not be subjugated to whatever happens to feed the anxieties and neuroses of society. That’s awfully vague. Are specters doing this to you? Seems that some power analysis is in order.

Can anyone say the past 2 years of covid-19?

Please don't feign naivety. It is a distraction to critical thought.

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