The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

Post by avgcorrection » Wed, Jan 26, 2022, 4:35 PM UTC

core-utility wrote: post #26

choeger wrote: post #18

We are long beyond that point, sadly. We are right now in the process of a) becoming legally required to own and carry a particular kind of device and b) being legally unable to fully control said device and c) having that device explicitly working (again by legal requirement) against our own interests It will be interesting to watch how things will progress and whether governments or corporations will be the ones ho…

The TV show Upload [1] has a group of people dubbed the "Ludds" (i.e. Luddites) that refuse to be party to the turn that the technological revolution has taken and stick to traditional ways of doing things. I strongly believe if that were to happen in our world today, much of Silicon Valley would be "Ludds", while a mass of non-tech people would happily welcome our new technological overlords. [1]: https://www.imdb.c…

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jan 26, 2022, 4:35 PM UTC

sh4un wrote: post #17

hatware wrote: post #10

But how will we create our utopia?

Make people who go to work have to share their income with those who don't want to work.

Post by coliveira » Wed, Jan 26, 2022, 4:36 PM UTC

dandanua wrote: post #25

tazjin wrote: post #5

I think it's imperative that governments all over the world take steps to reduce dependence on American infrastructure. Russia is working on this, but it's a slow process - especially on the hardware side of things. If the US goes (more) rogue at some point, Europe will be left holding the bag. The sphere around Russia and China will make it, but what does Europe have?

Russia is working on terrorizing their neighbors, and suppression of their own population except super rich. Sure, every move they make is supplied with "blame America!", but I doubt that this "trick" really works nowadays.

Post by avgcorrection » Wed, Jan 26, 2022, 4:37 PM UTC

tazjin wrote: post #48

commandlinefan wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Europe will be left holding the bag If your hopes for an anti-authoritarian future rest in Europe, you're in for a major disappointment. As had as it's gotten here in America, we're still doing better than the rest of the world - at least for now.

Oh yeah, I'm aware. My hopes aren't placed in Europe, I live in Moscow :) It is fascinating that the topic seems to get so little thought in Europe though.

Post by core-utility » Wed, Jan 26, 2022, 4:38 PM UTC

paulcole wrote: post #51

core-utility wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The TV show Upload [1] has a group of people dubbed the "Ludds" (i.e. Luddites) that refuse to be party to the turn that the technological revolution has taken and stick to traditional ways of doing things. I strongly believe if that were to happen in our world today, much of Silicon Valley would be "Ludds", while a mass of non-tech people would happily welcome our new technological overlords. [1]: https://www.imdb.c…

> much of Silicon Valley would be "Ludds" Bullshit. Much of Silicon Valley likes to think they would be Ludds but they do so while hailing an Uber from their iPhone and hoping that their DoorDash is devlivered on time so they can eat while they watch a HBO Max show and they hope that nobody stole their Amazon Prime package.