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I am done. I did my part, wore masks (sometimes double masks,) three shots of vaccines and took all reasonable precautions that a sane person could do. But there are still unmasked people and unvaccinated people (sure, blame me for putting everyone in this binary category) and I am done caring about this class of people. I could not see my family for two years due to one or the other international travel restrictions…
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> and I am done caring about this class of people. And their response will be "Finally! This is all we've wanted this entire time!" I don't think most here understand just how much "this class of people" value freedom over safety.
I don’t think they value freedom. I think it’s mostly a cult following. People made their decision then looked for reasons to support it.
Get off your high horse.
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I don't understand how you can say this in good faith. The state by state death rates were and are all over the map. Death rates seem to have far more to do with the prevalence of underlying conditions and some key decisions made regarding vulnerable sub groups early on. In light of this your comment basically boils down to "don't pick a state that has policy I like that's on the high end, pick one on the low end"
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I know this is going to sound conspiratorial but I think you’d have to be pretty naive to accept the reported deaths in the US due to Covid to be that accurate. Hospitals(which in the US are for profit mind you) were quite literally given more money for reporting a death as a Covid death for a period of time. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fac... Actually you could say it’s difficult to trus…
> difficult to trust the numbers coming from any country for a variety of reasons This must be a golden age for those doing a dissertation on media studies. So many quant-driven narratives, so little time. Hopefully cross-country data and narratives are being archived and aggregated into an open-data academic repository that can be studied in coming years.
I am done. I did my part, wore masks (sometimes double masks,) three shots of vaccines and took all reasonable precautions that a sane person could do. But there are still unmasked people and unvaccinated people (sure, blame me for putting everyone in this binary category) and I am done caring about this class of people. I could not see my family for two years due to one or the other international travel restrictions…
> But there are still unmasked people and unvaccinated people I'm not sure how you're convinced it's only the unmasked or unvaccinated people that are responsible for the spread of the virus at this point. In many countries they are not allowed to go anywhere. How is the virus crossing oceans so quickly if the unvaccinated are unable to cross borders?
Unless regulations across the world have changed drastically in the last couple of weeks, this is just false.
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> and I am done caring about this class of people. And their response will be "Finally! This is all we've wanted this entire time!" I don't think most here understand just how much "this class of people" value freedom over safety.
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> As long as they don't mix with the rest of society
Private discrimination is your right — if you don't want to admit unmasked and unvaccinated to your premises, you should be able to. As a pro-vaccine libertarian, it would make me prefer your establishments over others.
> are willing to bear the full cost of their 10x higher risk of hospital and ICU care
Of course. Nobody can claim the rights to other people's labour, and we don't want others to be obliged to pay for our healthcare — and healthcare providers should have the same right of private discrimination.
I am done. I did my part, wore masks (sometimes double masks,) three shots of vaccines and took all reasonable precautions that a sane person could do. But there are still unmasked people and unvaccinated people (sure, blame me for putting everyone in this binary category) and I am done caring about this class of people. I could not see my family for two years due to one or the other international travel restrictions…
> But there are still unmasked people and unvaccinated people and I am done caring about this class of people. Humm, I wish it was that clear. I'm from Portugal, one of the countries with higher vax rate (anti-vax movement here is negligible) and a few days ago we were on world top 5 for new infections. Disclaimer: I'm fully vaccinated. However I respect who isn't.
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> I don't think most here understand just how much "this class of people" value freedom over safety. No, the problem is that we do, and also see the selfishness of the position with regards to highly communicable diseases. "My body, my choice" is a fantastic principle when the outcome of the choice has negligible impact on people breathing the same air. Many of these same folks would raise a stir if their neighbor st…
> Their choice to not be vaccinated or wear masks results in people we love dying. It's hard to see how vaccines stop the spread when places like NYC or Israel (some of the most vaccinated places in the world) had record setting numbers in the recent wave. If vaccines work, shouldn't the "people you love" be vaccinated and thus not impacted by unvaccinated people? I understand masks can be effective in some cases, bu…
This is an extraordinary claim that runs counter to all available evidence and should be backed up by extraordinary evidence.
> “The only way to get compliance from people and get accommodation [is] if we demonstrate the ability to withdraw these [mandates] in the same manner in which we put them in,” Gottlieb added. Nope. That line was crossed a long time ago. I can't imagine people suddenly regaining trust in pharma companies and health care agencies now because they backed off at this point.
Do you really think Republicans are not getting vaccinated because they “don’t trust” pharma companies?
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Are you equally critical of the obese? Or those who ride motorcycles on the highway? As someone who is vaxxed, I struggle to see how the harm done by the unvaccinated is categorically worse than the risks taken by others at society's expense. I imagine you have none of the disdain for motorcycle riders that you do for the unvaccinated. Edit: For those replying to my comment, please note the comment I replied to liste…
The obese can’t kill me from across the room. A better analogy would be smokers, who I am also frustrated with but at least nicotine is addictive.