Nature Neuroscience offers open access publishing for $11k per article

Post by leemailll » Wed, Jan 26, 2022, 12:21 PM UTC

jinto36 wrote: post #43

sometimeshuman wrote: post #27

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"Most journals already allow authors to distribute copies by request." Does anyone know how this works in practice ? I'd like to ask a few of my favorite researchers for a copy of their papers but I am a hobbyist and don't want to take their time and add to their likely overflowing inbox. BTW, "this is nuts" isn't a claim you can make if you don't know the answer to questions you posted. From their website: "an artic…

Peer reviewers are all volunteers, the journal only pays the staff that coordinate the reviews- email a bunch of people and ask if they'll do a review (and often that's semi-automated now), and the editor that makes the decision after looking briefly at the feedback from the reviewers. The editors don't actually even do any proofreading or anything like that anymore, they just make executive decisions as to what arti…

Post by complex_pi » Wed, Jan 26, 2022, 12:27 PM UTC

Post by krull10 » Wed, Jan 26, 2022, 12:30 PM UTC

MagnumOpus wrote: post #143

refurb wrote: post #137

I’ve never quite understood the hate against journals. Sure, they might be charging too much for subscriptions based on the effort, but plenty of products do that. My understanding of positions are: Researcher: I want to publish in your journal because it’s prestigious. Academia: You better publish in prestigious journals or you won’t get tenure. Journal: My journal is expensive, but very prestigious. Researcher: I w…

The current shareholders and editors of the prestigious journals contribute nothing to it being prestigious. It is historical accident and network effects that now let some journals charge $10k for $100 of work, which many rightly perceive as unjust profiteering. Moving away from Elsevier and Springer Nature is a coordination problem just as difficult and just as desireable as moving everyone in your school off Whats…

Post by leemailll » Wed, Jan 26, 2022, 12:33 PM UTC

unmole wrote: post #95

spoonjim wrote: post #93

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Why? I hope this isn't a critique of the form "Why does Dropbox have 3,000 employees, I could build it in a weekend." There are a lot of costs to producing an issue of Nature.

The bulk of the heavy lifting for any scholarly journal is done by unpaid volunteers. JOSS calculates their cost of publishing a paper at around $100. What additional expenses does Nature incur that justify charging two orders of magnitude more? https://blog.joss.theoj.org/2019/06/cost-models-for-running-...

Post by CiPHPerCoder » Wed, Jan 26, 2022, 12:58 PM UTC

kragen wrote: post #63

CiPHPerCoder wrote: post #56

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Whenever I speak at a tech event, my attendance cost is free. (I'm still on the hook for flight and hotel, usually.)

Those events usually aren't the ones where most of the attendees are presenting, though sometimes things like Bar Camps can get the venue etc. sponsored. Finding sponsors to foot the bill can be harder for conferences for academics who aren't interested in leaving their tenure-track position to configure Kubernetes at a hot new Uber for Guinea Pigs startup. Still, church picnics, potluck dinners, and wedding parties…