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The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Post by vmception »

kstrauser wrote: post #5

I sure hope that's right. It was the best feeling in the world to stand up an Apache server on my Amiga, and later my little FreeBSD server, and see my friends viewing the website I was hosting on my dialup connection. It wasn't pretty, it wasn't elegant, and it certainly wasn't fast, but it was mine . I made that. From installing the server to writing the HTML, I owned that service from end to end and had completely…

(blockchain, smart contracts, people are experiencing this same feeling again there, many for the first time. they release something on a public utility that others can interact with, and a GUI behind a domain name)

Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Post by ahefner »

jchw wrote: post #188
aeturnum wrote: post #171

I have never understood people who mourn the death of the "old" internet because I do not feel I have lost it. Particular communities come and go, as they always have, but I have found that the I can find the same sorts of gathering places for the same kinds of people I always have - in about the same numbers too. The thing that has changed is that a huge swath of new people have come online and, though some of what…

I do agree that the "old" internet is not totally dead, but in my case communities I used to be in and even a couple I had direct involvement in were gutted because people left in favor of participating in communities via websites like Twitter. IRC channels I was in dwindled in numbers, draining instead to massive Discord servers. The thing is, the "old" Internet was always somewhat anemic compared to the "new" Inter…

What's the deal with these wiki sites that seem to consist entirely of user generated content, but absolutely bury it under mountains of ads? How do these places exist, and why do people continue to contribute to them?

Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Post by peakaboo »

aeturnum wrote: post #171

I have never understood people who mourn the death of the "old" internet because I do not feel I have lost it. Particular communities come and go, as they always have, but I have found that the I can find the same sorts of gathering places for the same kinds of people I always have - in about the same numbers too. The thing that has changed is that a huge swath of new people have come online and, though some of what…

We didnt have giant tech companies saving every search, every click you do, selling/giving your personal and private information to advertising and intelligence agencies.

We also didn't have this kind of massive centralization where most of the global internet traffic goes to Google, Netflix, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon etc.

Sure you can find tiny spots on the Internet with 10 people. It's still not the same at all as to what is used to be.

Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Post by skinkestek »

root_axis wrote: post #231
agumonkey wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say, with a very exaggerated tone :), it would be like saying you can still find trees in New York, so really nothing has changed since settlers came.

I don't think this is an apt analogy because trees were bulldozed to build the city, not true of the internet which has essentially infinite real-estate. Nothing was bulldozed to create the "new" internet, the new internet was created and new people joined it, the old internet just never achieved "web scale" and never could because it isn't a corporate product being driven by growth hacking and marketing spend.

An analogy that works here is "used all the oxygen in the room".

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Post by eitland »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #143
wolpoli wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The barrier of entry was actually lower than that. We didn't need to stand up an Apache server. We could just sign up for a Geocities/Xoom/Tripod account and upload HTML or use the built in site editor to create content. Somewhere along the way, people stopped building well organized sites and started producing chronologically organized writings and content. These chronologically organized articles and content have d…

Yeah, I found it weird that the article called blogs "Web 1.0", I'm pretty sure that it was them that were first hailed as the new "Web 2.0" ?

Agree.

As far as I remember web 2.0 was all about user generated content spruced up with Ajax experiences:

Blogs (chronological as opposed to more freeform web sites) were arguably the first.

The comments, follows ("blog rolls"), tagging, ratings and third party sites providing the same like del.ico.us and digg.

RSS also was a web 2.0 thing in my mind at least.

I think most people classify Facebook as web 2.0 as well but in my mind they aren't as much web as a silo built on web technology.

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Post by meheleventyone »

beej71 wrote: post #234
zozbot234 wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> public trust systems will always succumb to problems of informational asymmetry (moral hazard, adverse selection) Ironically, this is something that the "smart contracts" powering some future development of Web 3.0 might eventually solve. By making it possible to verifiably put real-world money behind one's assertions and trust assessments, these problems are significantly reduced.

I think I'm misunderstanding. Wouldn't this just make us trust the people with the most money?

Being charitable I think they mean some sort of betting site where people put money behind opinions and lose it if they are wrong or gain it if they are correct. Giving a sort of wisdom of the crowds. This of course is still subject to some authority who can say what is right or wrong on any particular issue so doesn’t escape the trust problem. Also the credulousness of the current crypto users makes me question how valuable any signal from it would actually be.

The idea of merely trusting people because they’ve spent money is hilarious in the face of propaganda and advertising.

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Post by squarefoot »

Slightly related: I may want to contribute to the cause by building a very small personal site on a broadband connection (unfiltered public dynamic IP plus DuckDns) after I solve some health problems and relocate, hopefully within a few months. If I'm lucky I should get a better connection than the roughly 60down/22up I have now, which would seem ridiculous for that use, but I'd make a strictly static site, no Javascript, small images and no or extremely small downloads (torrent might help for bigger ones, if any). I don't plan to build any community around it, just to document projects I would discuss on newsgroups and possibly here, so no user input would be involved. Anyone here who had a similar experience can share more information, caveats, suggest tools, etc? Thanks.

Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Post by root_axis »

skinkestek wrote: post #254
root_axis wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this is an apt analogy because trees were bulldozed to build the city, not true of the internet which has essentially infinite real-estate. Nothing was bulldozed to create the "new" internet, the new internet was created and new people joined it, the old internet just never achieved "web scale" and never could because it isn't a corporate product being driven by growth hacking and marketing spend.

An analogy that works here is "used all the oxygen in the room".

I don't think this is an apt analogy either because it still suggests that something was lost, when that's not the case, rather the internet grew in new places that have come to dwarf the places that came before. The overwhelming majority of users on the new internet didn't exist on the old internet.
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