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Nature Neuroscience offers open access publishing for $11k per article

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Re: Nature Neuroscience offers open access publishing for $11k per article

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Note: Are we sure this is a mandatory charge or just the charge if the authors must publish an immediate open access article. I just published in Nature Metabolism and there was no charge at all. The quality of the review and editing was EXTRAORDINARY! I wanted to thank all of the reviewers for doing a superb job. Had I required immediate open access then it would have cost! But with both full versions in bioRxiv and…

Were the reviewers paid?

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Re: Nature Neuroscience offers open access publishing for $11k per article

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I get that but also consider that people are free to publish in other journals. Although it does make me uncomfortable that its a for-profit company, they only print 7-10 articles a month, so I can understand the financials mathematics of needing to make it this amount per article if they want to continue to have a full staff maintain the journal the way they want to run it. I am just grateful these articles are now…

They can publish in other journals but at the expense of their career. Many publications at leading journals is your only real chance of making a career in academia - it matters more than actual impact because they're much easily measurable :)

A prime example of "what can be measured can be managed". Grim news for science.

Re: Nature Neuroscience offers open access publishing for $11k per article

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I am not sure there is any requirement that your price be based on the cost of your bill of materials. Would shut down a lot of companies that are like "$30,000 per year for SSO". It probably costs them less to let you log in with Google than it does to store your password hashes, and yet it's always the "no, you have to pay us more" option. The thing with these journals is that they have name recognition that makes…

In a well-functioning market, the price of goods should eventually shrink to their cost of production. If they do not, that's a monopoly.

The point is that by publishing in nature, one of the things you're paying for is prestige. Prestige has a very high market value.

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The article says "Our aim is to ensure that lack of funds is never a barrier to publishing with us." As in they will provide funding if someone can't afford it. Isn't this a really good thing? What is the average budget for an research project that ends up with an article published in this journal? Clinical trials are in the millions, and research grants are often 6 figures. I know people see this as rent seeking, bu…

I'll point you to Fields medalist Tim Gowers, who is kind of a leader in the free academic publishing movement against Elsevier and co. and has launched new journals himself: https://gowers.wordpress.com/2015/09/10/discrete-analysis-an...

His journals can manage at a whopping $10 per submission, and that's with a SaaS platform in the middle. Throw in a few bucks for arXiv hosting costs too if you will.

So what the hell do these protection racket journals provide at >$10k per submission? And do realize they sell subscriptions to institutions — I highly doubt institutions get better deals when some authors pay for open access — and physical copies on top of that, so it's not like they actually get nothing for these open access articles.

Re: Nature Neuroscience offers open access publishing for $11k per article

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Not sure what other people do, but I always publish at a journal then put my manuscript on arxiv, or whatever field equivalent, and then on my personal website. Then I submit it to scihub. Best we can do these days

First -- Thanks! But second, how do you have the right to that ? Doesn't the institution you work for or the paper's co-authors restrict distribution so to maximize the royalties and recoup research costs ?

To add to the other replies, most journals allow you to post a preprint to arxiv or your personal site as long as you don’t use their final layout, typesetting, and branding

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https://blog.joss.theoj.org/2019/06/cost-models-for-running-... "The Journal of Open Source Software (JOSS) is a free, open-access online journal, with no article processing charge (APC). We are committed to operating as a free service to our community, and we do so thanks to the volunteer labor of editors and reviewers, and by taking advantage of existing infrastructure. In this post, we examine the true costs of ru…

In Machine Learning the top journal JMLR is also completely free and open access. Nature tried to introduce a machine learning journal but it is being boycotted by many researchers.

Re: Nature Neuroscience offers open access publishing for $11k per article

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The article says "Our aim is to ensure that lack of funds is never a barrier to publishing with us." As in they will provide funding if someone can't afford it. Isn't this a really good thing? What is the average budget for an research project that ends up with an article published in this journal? Clinical trials are in the millions, and research grants are often 6 figures. I know people see this as rent seeking, bu…

Some smaller labs at my tier 1 research institution have their grad students TA (so the university pays their salary) because they don't have the ability to pay them the $30k salary. $11k for one paper is a meaningful amount of money, and other journals can publish for an order of magnitude less. It doesn't cost $11k to read a paper, send a few emails and do some typesetting. People pay for this kind of thing because…

Yep, $11k is a term’s worth of stipend when I was a PhD student.

Re: Nature Neuroscience offers open access publishing for $11k per article

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Might I suggest a co-op, nonprofit journal publisher run for the benefit of multiple institutions that give access at near overall amortized cost and free access to individuals. Corporate greed in healthcare, utilities, government, and academia are Swords of Damocles waiting to happen.

Re: Nature Neuroscience offers open access publishing for $11k per article

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They can publish in other journals but at the expense of their career. Many publications at leading journals is your only real chance of making a career in academia - it matters more than actual impact because they're much easily measurable :)

A prime example of "what can be measured can be managed". Grim news for science.

Yep! My wife is a postdoc at Stanford and has become completely disillusioned by the whole thing, pretty sad to see after so many years of loving it!
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