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Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

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Re: Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

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Post by femiagbabiaka »

graderjs wrote: post #124
nautilius wrote: post #98

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So, thieves cannot be fined for their crimes (take their money after they took someone else's), kidnappers cannot go to jail (take their freedom after they took someone else's) - because it would undermine, what exactly? That makes no sense.

Well it makes sense to me. Your reading is a little bit uncharitable. Seems almost like you didn't make any effort to understand it, and just rather pretend that it's stupid...Sigh. But I suppose I could have helped you by saying the other part which I think about this: That's why the legal system is so important. We need a way to do these things, that's not about individuals getting revenge. So...you kill Alice, the…

You’re exactly right. In fact resolving this paradox and avoiding the chaos of blood price for crimes committed are part of the themes of every system of law since Hammurabi’s code.

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Post by femiagbabiaka »

MisterMower wrote: post #160
fennecfoxen wrote: post #74

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You’d can’t just have a list of disqualifying crimes. You’d need to balance things out a proper social credit score. With an indirect death penalty attached, yes. Can’t think of how this could go wrong at alllllllllllll

The guy should have got the death penalty for attempted and arguably successful murder (the victim later died of a stroke directly attributable to the wounds he received from the stabbing). 10 years for stabbing a guy multiple times to the point of putting him in a wheel chair is a slap on the wrist. Funny how a lot of problems work themselves out when swift justice is delivered. This whole thread doesn’t exist in th…

In the article I see a few pictures of the guy with his large, seemingly happy family. Getting rid of the opportunity for that to happen would be like creating another tragedy from the ashes of the first. I don’t know where you’re from, but in America a lot of folks share your view. But our use of the death penalty hasn’t eradicated crime. So then one has to wonder if the possible benefits are worth the price.

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Post by cdelsolar »

decremental wrote: post #161
yboris wrote: post #105

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Side-comment that doesn't apply in this case, but worth mentioning: "regardless of who they are" seems like a shitty blanket principle to have. For example, hospitals are overstuffed with COVID patients means regular patients die as a result. In many cases, "The overwhelming majority of the patients had COVID-19, and 98% of those needing acute critical care were unvaccinated." This means people who choose to not take…

Why are so many vocal advocates for the covid vaccine such demons? Is the rhetoric surrounding the covid vaccine so toxic that it turns otherwise normal people into people who are so hate filled, or are such hate filled people simply predisposed to being influenced by such rhetoric?

Why are people like you so hyperbolic? How is anything that the OP said demonic? The unvaccinated are literally causing people to die besides themselves. There is nothing hate-filled about that.

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Post by unmole »

nautilius wrote: post #98
graderjs wrote: post #88

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The weird thing about saying "Do not save those who took another's life" is that you are saying, "The person took a life. That's bad. We should punish them for the bad thing." Then saying, "Let's take their life to punish them." (not saving a life you could being essentially the same as life taking, to me, here). To me, you are undermining your view that life-taking is bad, by engaging in it yourselves. To me, this i…

So, thieves cannot be fined for their crimes (take their money after they took someone else's), kidnappers cannot go to jail (take their freedom after they took someone else's) - because it would undermine, what exactly? That makes no sense.

Fines and jail sentences are imposed by courts. It would be weird for a grocery store clerk to overcharge a convicted thief after they served their sentence.

Re: Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

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Post by nautilius »

unmole wrote: post #176
nautilius wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, thieves cannot be fined for their crimes (take their money after they took someone else's), kidnappers cannot go to jail (take their freedom after they took someone else's) - because it would undermine, what exactly? That makes no sense.

Fines and jail sentences are imposed by courts. It would be weird for a grocery store clerk to overcharge a convicted thief after they served their sentence.

We're talking about the morality of the reaction, not about who imposes it. GP argues that it's morally fundamentally wrong to react to some else's 'misbehavior' by imposing the very same action as punishment.

Re: Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

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Post by mlyle »

renewiltord wrote: post #170
fennecfoxen wrote: post #69

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Yeah, the Post complaint (echoed elsewhere) is basically a call for having a social credit score that can say “you’re not a good person, so we’re not going to let the doctors save you.”

We already have that laundered through something else. Like if you’re a drinker you won’t get a liver.

That's not a moral judgment: that's a judgment about whether you're likely to not wreck the new organ and have a good outcome.

Re: Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

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Post by dkjaudyeqooe »

hiptobecubic wrote: post #162
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #126

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Animals eat each other alive in the wild, they kill on a whim for the pettiest of reasons. Dying at the hands of another animal is as natural a cause as you can get. Because we're human we don't treat animals badly while alive, that where our ethics come in. Obviously if there enough hearts to go around no one would be looking at pigs.

We generally consider killing something to be treating it badly.

I don't know who 'we' is, but society in general disagrees. People eat meat with a clear conscience.
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