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The Great Resignation? More Like the Great Renegotiation

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Post by dvtrn »

Zircom wrote: post #46
steelstraw wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's up with all the language games lately? "Defund the police". No no, we don't actually mean defund the police... "Anti work". No no, we don't actually mean we're anti work...

To be fair /r/antiwork USED to be actually be about not working and discussions on how that might be accomplished(ex UBI or government works programs). But as it got more popular it quickly turned into what it is today, which is mostly fake screenshots of people telling their bosses off.

I was a long time reader of antiwork because of the former, and ended up leaving because of the latter. These days it’s absolutely reeking with stupendously bad takes about employment law and workers rights that in most cases aren’t actual laws and aren’t actual issues of “workers rights” just “shitty communication between functioning adults”.

But that’s a story as common as blue skies and chirping birds: once your favorite sub-Reddit gets big enough…it starts to stink.

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Post by alistairSH »

ashtonkem wrote: post #12
duxup wrote: post #2

"The Great Resignation" feels a bit like a phrase that folks have grasped on to and just attach the narrative they want to believe to it. Constant articles and such with very little data. Very frustrating as a reader. The idea that amid a pandemic and such that there are a variety of reasons seems backed up by the data, although I admit that's what I'm inclined to believe / seen.

The phrase “great resignation” also implies that people are just quitting, when in reality they’re changing jobs. The unemployment rate is lower than it’s been in a decade (except a month or two here and there), people who are resigning are getting new jobs.

Here are the 6 unemployment figures, as reported by BLS... https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm

U-3 is the figure most commonly reported. U-4,5,6 start to add in various groups of under-employed or discouraged workers. All of those figures are approaching pre-COVID levels and approaching the lows we saw in 2000. We also see U-6 closer to U-3 now than at many points in previous years (as the economy crashes, U-6 tends to get further away from U-3 as workers are forced into part-time or underemployment situations).

https://www.macrotrends.net/1377/u6-unemployment-rate

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Post by pmyteh »

hideo wrote: post #124
tombert wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went the opposite direction; I was at a cool hipster startup, but since I decided to re-pursue academia part time, I switched to a stable megacorp [1] so I would have a consistent bit of funding for the degree for the next 4-6 years. Roughly the same base pay, but way better stock package. I feel like for me, the boredom of COVID made online education about 10x more appealing, and with the articles about WGU poppin…

Completely off topic from the main thread but would you be comfortable sharing how you found and/or convinced an advisor to take you on for a part-time PhD?

Not parent, but part-time PhDs aren't entirely uncommon (at least in the UK, where I am) and I'm currently supervising one.

There are two major difficulties and one major advantage over the full-time version. The advantage is that you can work, so students aren't dependent on external funding or an ever-shortening runway of their own funds. This isn't a small thing. On the other side, though, it doubles the length of an already lengthy process (do people really want to be spending 7-10 years of all of their spare time unpaid and lonely?) and increases the chance the the candidate will drop out (in that they keep an alternative on-hand, rather than burning their employment bridges to do it full-time). Given how hard the PhD process can be, simply saying 'sod that' is always a temptation.

Anyway, it'll depend on the supervisor and the university. Some have policies against it, others are happy to consider.

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Post by mehphp »

steelstraw wrote: post #28
softwaredoug wrote: post #3

> spectacles like the immense popularity of the "Anti-Work" thread on Reddit — have gone as far as to suggest this record-breaking trend is a movement of young, able-bodied Americans rejecting work altogether. I don't think this is the point of "anti work". The point is (to me) that people should be treated equitably at work and that work shouldn't be the center of our lives

What's up with all the language games lately? "Defund the police". No no, we don't actually mean defund the police... "Anti work". No no, we don't actually mean we're anti work...

As far as I can tell /r/antiwork originally meant just that. Then it evolved into what it is today.

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Post by lettergram »

ghaff wrote: post #91
citilife wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Actual resignations are up slightly, but the idea that employees are quitting in droves is exaggerated. Official numbers are up ~50% between Nov 2020 and Nov 2021. IMO official numbers dramatically increased as vaccine mandates occurred and under reported. https://www.bls.gov/news.release/jolts.t04.htm Nov 2020 -> Nov 2021; percent change by region: Northeast 1.8% -> 2.5% South 2.8% -> 3.5% Midwest 2.3% -> 3.1% Wes…

I'd add that, although I haven't really been to restaurants in the past couple of months, things were very clearly not normal in the fall. Limited seating even outside, closed for multiple days a week even though there was clearly demand, etc.

The table appears to be “quite levels” which are not the same as “we aren’t employing you” levels.

I suspect both are up higher than they were in 2019.

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Post by Ancalagon »

root_axis wrote: post #138
PascLeRasc wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I received a 1% raise at my current job. My coworkers who worked evenings and weekends received a "100% positive adjustment of their raise" (2%).

A 1% raise seems insulting imo.

It is

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Post by mehphp »

Waterluvian wrote: post #137

It feels fundamentally wrong that my employer cares at all about where I live when determining my 100% remote salary. Can anyone offer me rational arguments for why they shouldn’t just pay people based on what they offer the job rather than where they choose to live? Because it makes me salty to be paid half of what a colleague does because I’m in rural Canada and not San Francisco.

The simple answer is because they can and people still accept the positions.

Why would they pay you twice as much when you accepted half?

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Post by president »

newsclues wrote: post #103

The social contact has been rewritten multiple times in the favour of elites during crises. The people are rebelling against the reality of the new social contract.

You wouldn't know it if you only followed mainstream media. I think the corruption of media has been the downfall of our society.

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Post by MattGaiser »

PascLeRasc wrote: post #128
MattGaiser wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be interested to see the difference between those who did switch and those who didn't. It could easily be 20% raises for those moving and 1% for those who are not.

I received a 1% raise at my current job. My coworkers who worked evenings and weekends received a "100% positive adjustment of their raise" (2%).

After a few rounds of this, developers basically join a company with a plan to leave as soon as they become reasonably productive.
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