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The Great Resignation? More Like the Great Renegotiation

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Re: The Great Resignation? More Like the Great Renegotiation

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Post by ghaff »

citilife wrote: post #76
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #19

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> Constant articles and such with very little data. Very frustrating as a reader. Actual resignations are up slightly, but the idea that employees are quitting in droves is exaggerated. It’s higher than normal turnover, but the stories are written in ways to suggest that companies everywhere are gutted by employees leaving in bulk. I feel like “great resignation” was deliberately chosen to mislead people into thinkin…

> Actual resignations are up slightly, but the idea that employees are quitting in droves is exaggerated. Official numbers are up ~50% between Nov 2020 and Nov 2021. IMO official numbers dramatically increased as vaccine mandates occurred and under reported. https://www.bls.gov/news.release/jolts.t04.htm Nov 2020 -> Nov 2021; percent change by region: Northeast 1.8% -> 2.5% South 2.8% -> 3.5% Midwest 2.3% -> 3.1% Wes…

I'd add that, although I haven't really been to restaurants in the past couple of months, things were very clearly not normal in the fall. Limited seating even outside, closed for multiple days a week even though there was clearly demand, etc.

Re: The Great Resignation? More Like the Great Renegotiation

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Post by dathinab »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #83
steelstraw wrote: post #28

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What's up with all the language games lately? "Defund the police". No no, we don't actually mean defund the police... "Anti work". No no, we don't actually mean we're anti work...

The simple answer is there are no games, there are just liberals taking slogans from more radical places and toning them down or flipflopping to be more palatable. It's more an effect of the general confusions of the internet, and people not being sure what they want, but knowing that things are wrong. The crowd around here, of course, always constantly jumps on this as if it is all one big inconsistent argument from…

> The simple answer is there is no games, there are just liberals taking slogans from more radical places and toning them down or flipflopping to be more palatable. It's more an effect of the general confusions of the internet, and people not being sure what they want, but knowing that things are wrong.

To some degree it's click bait, and people getting used to it.

Like "anti work" being the click bait version of "anti how work is currently handled".

Re: The Great Resignation? More Like the Great Renegotiation

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Post by luke0016 »

sjg007 wrote: post #59
luke0016 wrote: post #50

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It's a sophist play on emotions. I don't think there's actual malice behind it, though. More that people struggle to assert themselves and provide direct, well-reasoned arguments. So, exaggerating or throwing meaning away altogether is an easy alternative. It is also particularly useful in obscuring a lack of any sort of coherent plan or proposed action(s) when one is angry/frustrated/etc. To some extent I also belie…

It is a time tested political tool to capture power by redefining the narrative. It's very effective as is the other strategy of manufacturing crises like the teaching of critical race theory in K-12 school or having to wear masks in schools.

I actually support masks in schools. There's solid scientific evidence backing it as a mechanism to help limit the spread of COVID. Until all ages are able to be vaccinated, it seems like a prudent course of action.

It's unfortunate that people are trying to turn such things into political statements.

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Post by encryptluks2 »

standardsam wrote: post #78
thesuitonym wrote: post #60

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defund: verb. prevent (a group or organization) from continuing to receive funds

They shouldn't get funds from taxpayers to pay large settlements when they abuse their power.

Re: The Great Resignation? More Like the Great Renegotiation

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Post by jm4 »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #19
duxup wrote: post #2

"The Great Resignation" feels a bit like a phrase that folks have grasped on to and just attach the narrative they want to believe to it. Constant articles and such with very little data. Very frustrating as a reader. The idea that amid a pandemic and such that there are a variety of reasons seems backed up by the data, although I admit that's what I'm inclined to believe / seen.

> Constant articles and such with very little data. Very frustrating as a reader. Actual resignations are up slightly, but the idea that employees are quitting in droves is exaggerated. It’s higher than normal turnover, but the stories are written in ways to suggest that companies everywhere are gutted by employees leaving in bulk. I feel like “great resignation” was deliberately chosen to mislead people into thinkin…

I think "The Great Resignation" is an excuse bad bosses use to explain why they can't retain employees. There has definitely been an attitude shift and a re-prioritization over the past couple years that I think has resulted in people being much less likely to stay at bad jobs. But like you said, they are going to other companies, and the companies that offer good jobs in a good environment are not experiencing the same rate of turnover.

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Post by pixl97 »

Tenoke wrote: post #81
thesuitonym wrote: post #60

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In both cases what you mean is not the default reading. Defund means to remove funds, and you meaning something else is not 'exactly that'. Anti means you are against something, so the natural reading is that you don't want that thing (work) to be a thing anymore, not the more convoluted meaning you say is 'exactly that' even though nobody unfamiliar can possibly guess at it from just the word anti.

The question is does defund mean "remove all funds" or "remove some funds"

Re: The Great Resignation? More Like the Great Renegotiation

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Post by hnaccount141 »

steelstraw wrote: post #28
softwaredoug wrote: post #3

> spectacles like the immense popularity of the "Anti-Work" thread on Reddit — have gone as far as to suggest this record-breaking trend is a movement of young, able-bodied Americans rejecting work altogether. I don't think this is the point of "anti work". The point is (to me) that people should be treated equitably at work and that work shouldn't be the center of our lives

What's up with all the language games lately? "Defund the police". No no, we don't actually mean defund the police... "Anti work". No no, we don't actually mean we're anti work...

In both of these cases "we" is a group of thousands of people with varying opinions. There are absolutely plenty of people who very much believe in defunding the police and ending work. As both movements have grown more popular we've naturally seen more people who agree with the general spirit of the movement but hold more moderate views.

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Post by astura »

softwaredoug wrote: post #3

> spectacles like the immense popularity of the "Anti-Work" thread on Reddit — have gone as far as to suggest this record-breaking trend is a movement of young, able-bodied Americans rejecting work altogether. I don't think this is the point of "anti work". The point is (to me) that people should be treated equitably at work and that work shouldn't be the center of our lives

I haven't been there much, but the posts I've personally observed there are mostly LARPing/fantasy stories. They exist to titillate. They are about as real as the stories posted in the erotic subs.

Obviously there's a market for that sort of thing, so I guess that says something. I just wouldn't use people's fantasies to deduce something about their actual behavior - I think almost everyone at one point fantasizes about not needing their job.

Re: The Great Resignation? More Like the Great Renegotiation

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Post by vikingerik »

randomdata wrote: post #30
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Constant articles and such with very little data. Very frustrating as a reader. Actual resignations are up slightly, but the idea that employees are quitting in droves is exaggerated. It’s higher than normal turnover, but the stories are written in ways to suggest that companies everywhere are gutted by employees leaving in bulk. I feel like “great resignation” was deliberately chosen to mislead people into thinkin…

Anecdotally in my business I saw effectively no churn in employment through most of the pandemic. Hiring new people was also nearly impossible. Then, towards the end of last year a significant number of workers quit. Finding new people to replace them also was surprisingly easy. I suspect a lot of people were afraid to move on to new opportunities for a while due to the uncertainty of the pandemic. Once enough confid…

This is exactly it. The so-called "great resignation" is just pent-up delayed demand for normal job switching that didn't happen during the pandemic.

It's framed this way as click-bait. Of course people click on stories about quitting work because they dream of doing that themselves.

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