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The Great Resignation? More Like the Great Renegotiation

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Re: The Great Resignation? More Like the Great Renegotiation

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Post by bufbupa »

ReaLNero wrote: post #44
steelstraw wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's up with all the language games lately? "Defund the police". No no, we don't actually mean defund the police... "Anti work". No no, we don't actually mean we're anti work...

It's catchy, it attracts attention, and it makes people learn what the movement is about. It's one thing to say "defund the police", and it's another to say "penalize police brutality, take police funds and use them to fund social workers trained to disarm situations without using violence, etc."

> makes people learn what the movement is about.

I don't know about that. More like it muddies the waters and leads to miscommunication and polarization

Re: The Great Resignation? More Like the Great Renegotiation

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Post by ghaff »

bachmeier wrote: post #27
duxup wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm inclined to agree that some folks who stayed home (by choice or not) found that ... it wasn't that bad and doing so to find something else probably seems easier than it was before. My wife is possibly taking a leave to care for her father ... she's thinking a lot about if she wants to go back. If she wasn't taking a leave that first step / time might not be there to decide to do something else.

> I'm inclined to agree that some folks who stayed home (by choice or not) found that ... it wasn't that bad and doing so to find something else probably seems easier than it was before. There's this, but let's not forget that the S&P 500 is up about 40% relative to its pre-pandemic peak, so retirement accounts have been growing really fast. Staying home suddenly became an option for many. There were already concerns…

Also, generally, the pandemic probably led to a lot of people on something of a glidepath towards retirement to think about pushing things up some number of years.

Re: The Great Resignation? More Like the Great Renegotiation

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Post by outime »

duxup wrote: post #2

"The Great Resignation" feels a bit like a phrase that folks have grasped on to and just attach the narrative they want to believe to it. Constant articles and such with very little data. Very frustrating as a reader. The idea that amid a pandemic and such that there are a variety of reasons seems backed up by the data, although I admit that's what I'm inclined to believe / seen.

>Constant articles and such with very little data. Very frustrating as a reader.

Very personal opinion ahead (and not tailored to this specific topic): that's most journalism for you. They're not here to "inform the citizen" as a noble mission. Most of the things the press publishes are greatly exaggerated and dramatic to evoke different emotions to the reader which are closely tied to an agenda. The fix is IMHO easy: stop consuming such media once you find such disparities instead of reading again and again about the same and other topics, because they'll most likely lie/exaggerate in everything else and at the end, you'll be happier and better informed by not filling your memory with bs.

Edit: typo with->which

Re: The Great Resignation? More Like the Great Renegotiation

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Post by lp0_on_fire »

gfiorav wrote: post #21
softwaredoug wrote: post #3

> spectacles like the immense popularity of the "Anti-Work" thread on Reddit — have gone as far as to suggest this record-breaking trend is a movement of young, able-bodied Americans rejecting work altogether. I don't think this is the point of "anti work". The point is (to me) that people should be treated equitably at work and that work shouldn't be the center of our lives

This is honestly my gripe with r/antiwork. It could be (and sometimes is) a hub for a mature conversation towards unionizing and regaining meaningful industry in the US, but it choses to be the place for edgy workers from all ages to declare themselves "marxists". As if they thrived on the ever-diminishing amount of gasps that word incites. Like a bunch of teenagers trying to out-edge everyone else. Hard to read.

It's reddit. The chances of mature conversation are close to zero precisely because it's largely populated by edgy teenagers.

edit: There are many smaller communities on reddit that do have mature conversation and content, they're just vastly outnumbered by the edgy teen clickbait content we see on the front page.

Re: The Great Resignation? More Like the Great Renegotiation

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Post by istjohn »

ashtonkem wrote: post #12
duxup wrote: post #2

"The Great Resignation" feels a bit like a phrase that folks have grasped on to and just attach the narrative they want to believe to it. Constant articles and such with very little data. Very frustrating as a reader. The idea that amid a pandemic and such that there are a variety of reasons seems backed up by the data, although I admit that's what I'm inclined to believe / seen.

The phrase “great resignation” also implies that people are just quitting, when in reality they’re changing jobs. The unemployment rate is lower than it’s been in a decade (except a month or two here and there), people who are resigning are getting new jobs.

The unemployment rate, by definition, wouldn't capture people who are quitting the labor force entirely.

Re: The Great Resignation? More Like the Great Renegotiation

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Post by scythe »

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #23

> The Great Renegotiation is also a byproduct of inflation. Workers are seeking better pay to keep up with the rising cost of living. Keeping in mind small business is collectively the largest employer and contributor to US output... let's remember the coming rate hikes will greatly reduce available cash to small businesses that operate with credit lines, credit card debt or via home equity lines. That is a LOT of US…

>unless some magical productivity innovation or goods/services advance emerges

But there has been the development and deployment of a major productivity innovation over the last two years. It's called Zoom. Or WebEx/Teams/Meet/etc. And while it doesn't work for everybody, the fact that tens of millions of people suddenly have experience working and running their business remotely means that if it does work for someone, their efficiency goes up.

Re: The Great Resignation? More Like the Great Renegotiation

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Post by CountDrewku »

steelstraw wrote: post #28
softwaredoug wrote: post #3

> spectacles like the immense popularity of the "Anti-Work" thread on Reddit — have gone as far as to suggest this record-breaking trend is a movement of young, able-bodied Americans rejecting work altogether. I don't think this is the point of "anti work". The point is (to me) that people should be treated equitably at work and that work shouldn't be the center of our lives

What's up with all the language games lately? "Defund the police". No no, we don't actually mean defund the police... "Anti work". No no, we don't actually mean we're anti work...

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Re: The Great Resignation? More Like the Great Renegotiation

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Post by xboxnolifes »

newhotelowner wrote: post #49
eric4smith wrote: post #8

The “great resignation” was always suspect. Think about it - who would take care of all those people in the western world. I could see it happening in Asian cultures, but in the west? Nah. It’s not in us. I mean seriously, did we ever check ourselves to think that people would just stay home? Sure a certain percentage will — and that’s actually a good thing, especially families where both mom and dad worked. Since th…

> Sure a certain percentage will 10-15% of the workers quitting is enough! If 2 of my 13 employees quit at the same time, I will have to start working 65-80 hours a week.

Nowhere near 10-15% of people are quitting to stay home.

Re: The Great Resignation? More Like the Great Renegotiation

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Post by sjg007 »

luke0016 wrote: post #50
steelstraw wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's up with all the language games lately? "Defund the police". No no, we don't actually mean defund the police... "Anti work". No no, we don't actually mean we're anti work...

It's a sophist play on emotions. I don't think there's actual malice behind it, though. More that people struggle to assert themselves and provide direct, well-reasoned arguments. So, exaggerating or throwing meaning away altogether is an easy alternative. It is also particularly useful in obscuring a lack of any sort of coherent plan or proposed action(s) when one is angry/frustrated/etc. To some extent I also belie…

It is a time tested political tool to capture power by redefining the narrative. It's very effective as is the other strategy of manufacturing crises like the teaching of critical race theory in K-12 school or having to wear masks in schools.

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Post by thesuitonym »

steelstraw wrote: post #28
softwaredoug wrote: post #3

> spectacles like the immense popularity of the "Anti-Work" thread on Reddit — have gone as far as to suggest this record-breaking trend is a movement of young, able-bodied Americans rejecting work altogether. I don't think this is the point of "anti work". The point is (to me) that people should be treated equitably at work and that work shouldn't be the center of our lives

What's up with all the language games lately? "Defund the police". No no, we don't actually mean defund the police... "Anti work". No no, we don't actually mean we're anti work...

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