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Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by justin66 »

Edman274 wrote: post #610
justin66 wrote: post #607

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Guess which is a more important target to the enemy in the event of an all-out war: the runways, hangars, and fuel facilities or the research and development offices. (I mean, it's sort of an academic question if a well-placed enemy warhead makes it through...)

In the imagined scenario of a 1980s MAD first-strike, it's wherever the nuclear missile silos are. There's a lot of farmland around Dayton. I would not rule out the possibility that there is at least one nuclear launch site near Wright Patterson AFB.

The location of nuclear launch silos in the US is not a secret.

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Post by N1H1L »

outside1234 wrote: post #302
kragen wrote: post #242

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Purdue has a great reputation but I don't know anything about it personally except via Eugene Spafford. I may be biased because I like Scheme — SICP was a life-changing epiphany for me, and Essentials of Programming Languages was also quite revelatory — and Indiana has done a lot of inspiring Scheme work. I don't know of anything of similar importance from OSU but maybe they're really great in CPU design or subthresh…

Purdue is an engineering factory. It is both quality and quantity. There were 1800 engineers in my graduating class (1995).

Penn State is actually US's largest engineering school by undergraduates.

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Post by N1H1L »

V_Terranova_Jr wrote: post #562
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The midwest has some of the greatest engineering schools in the nation. I have been beating this drum hoarse for a few years now - but it's true. Specifically, members of the Big 10 conference are probably the best engineering schools conference in the world. Within 300 miles from Columbus (where you have Ohio State - Big10), you have Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, UIUC, Indiana, Purdue from the Big 10 along w…

Even as a product of one of those schools, I think the comparison against CA might be going a bit far, but as long as we're talking perceptions/stereotypes... In Aerospace, within both U.S. government and industry, midwest engineering schools are widely seen as producing more undegrad-level engineers who actually want to be engineers than places like Stanford. Stanford, in particular, seems to attract proportionally…

Not really. There is a whole wide world outside CS - mechanical, chemical, materials. And while Berkeley, Stanford, UCSB are amazing in them Caltech for example is not and is just over hyped.

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Post by N1H1L »

rxhernandez wrote: post #155
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The midwest has some of the greatest engineering schools in the nation. I have been beating this drum hoarse for a few years now - but it's true. Specifically, members of the Big 10 conference are probably the best engineering schools conference in the world. Within 300 miles from Columbus (where you have Ohio State - Big10), you have Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, UIUC, Indiana, Purdue from the Big 10 along w…

I'm sure there's more great ones in California but I can count 14 off the top of my head; I think all of them are nearly within 300 miles of LA too. 1. Caltech 2. Stanford 3. Cal 4. UCLA 5. Harvey Mudd 6. USC 7. UCSD 8. UCD 9. UCSB 10. CPSLO 11. UCI 12. CPP 13. UCSC 14. UCR

I will take Stanford and the UCs. Every other school in that list comes below the Midwestern powerhouses

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Post by N1H1L »

outside1234 wrote: post #298
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I'm sure there's more great ones in California but I can count 14 off the top of my head; I think all of them are nearly within 300 miles of LA too. 1. Caltech 2. Stanford 3. Cal 4. UCLA 5. Harvey Mudd 6. USC 7. UCSD 8. UCD 9. UCSB 10. CPSLO 11. UCI 12. CPP 13. UCSC 14. UCR

Caltech, Stanford, Cal, and Harvey Mudd are on the same tier with Purdue, Michigan, Illinois, CM. The other ones are good schools, but in a distinctly second tier to that group.

Stanford and Berkeley are amazing, Caltech is definitely tier 2, while Harvey Mudd is not even an R2 school

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Post by N1H1L »

ensan wrote: post #533
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Caltech, Stanford, Cal, and Harvey Mudd are on the same tier with Purdue, Michigan, Illinois, CM. The other ones are good schools, but in a distinctly second tier to that group.

That’s such an ignorant statement. For example, when it comes to hardware & electrical engineering, UCSD alone is as productive as say Purdue & Illinois combined. And it’s a young university too.

And when it comes to materials science, Penn State will run circles around all of them.

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Post by elihu »

galangalalgol wrote: post #604
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Most conversions have regenerative braking nowdays. Most AC motor controllers support regen as a basic feature. A lot of the old series-wound DC motor conversions didn't have it because it was hard to do on that kind of motor (similar how it's hard to reverse; you have to flip the polarity of one set of leads but not the other, which requires a bunch of contactors or IGBTs or something). Where regen gets kind of comp…

What does the software industry look like for this stuff? I've got two decades of embedded c++ experience, some of which is safety critical. How much of automotive is offshored these days? Is it still mostly C and a bsp and a text editor, or is it gitlab and pipelines now?

I don't know, I'm just familiar with what the motor controllers do because I'm trying to do an EV conversion.

I would imagine that the people working on parts for the conversion market have a somewhat different development process than a regular auto manufacturer, in part because they're making things in low volume and in part because they just have to design generic reusable parts that do one thing properly. If you're building a whole car, you have to make sure everything works together as a cohesive whole. In some ways that would be easier because you know exactly what parts are being used together.

I would hope that most of the safety-critical real-time software that controls a car's basic functions like braking and traction control and so on would be relatively simple and straightforward, but maybe that's too much to expect. My understanding of the way the auto industry works these days is that the major manufacturers are increasing dependent on a complicated network of 3rd-party parts suppliers, and I'd expect that to influence the character of the software stack somewhat.

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Post by ericmay »

rxhernandez wrote: post #155
N1H1L wrote: post #138

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The midwest has some of the greatest engineering schools in the nation. I have been beating this drum hoarse for a few years now - but it's true. Specifically, members of the Big 10 conference are probably the best engineering schools conference in the world. Within 300 miles from Columbus (where you have Ohio State - Big10), you have Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, UIUC, Indiana, Purdue from the Big 10 along w…

I'm sure there's more great ones in California but I can count 14 off the top of my head; I think all of them are nearly within 300 miles of LA too. 1. Caltech 2. Stanford 3. Cal 4. UCLA 5. Harvey Mudd 6. USC 7. UCSD 8. UCD 9. UCSB 10. CPSLO 11. UCI 12. CPP 13. UCSC 14. UCR

Idk what we consider the “Midwest to be” but here are some schools generally in the area that are good. Happy to delete any you don’t like. No particular order. ;)

1. Northwestern

2. Notre Dame

3. Wisconsin Madison

4. Ohio State

5. Minnesota Twin Cities

6. Carnegie Mellon

7. University of Chicago

8. Purdue

9. Penn St

10. Washington University St. Louis

11. UIUC

12. Case Western

13. Michigan

So there are plenty of world class educational institutions in the Midwest. Frankly I’d take this list over your list and that’s not including other brand name universities like Indiana, Pitt, Michigan State, Nebraska, or Iowa, some of which do “non-sexy” research in agricultural science and other fields. Ohio State has the only undergraduate wedding engineering program in North America even. It really is an absolute powerhouse of a region with far more national brand name recognition and reputation and monster enrollment numbers.

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Post by saruken »

timr wrote: post #327
rotten wrote: post #187

This same street has a Facebook data center, an AWS data center, and a Google data center (within a couple of miles). There is a biotech research campus, Bath & Bodyworks main research lab, and the main operations center for AEP (a midwest electric company). If you travel about 2-3 miles orthogonal to that street we have a big data center for Nationwide Insurance, a campus for Discover (credit cards), and a State Far…

Curious -- grew up near New Albany, but haven't been back in years. What street is it?

Beech Rd SW. Here's a link to the FB data center location:

https://goo.gl/maps/UXrJePXbNNUZQG1H8

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Post by edenlinger »

908B64B197 wrote: post #231
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Depending on where they're moving from, they might take a pay cut.. Ohio is very cheap to live in. New Albany is not particularly exciting, but nearby Columbus is a nice vibrant city, not the end of the earth. OSU is a definitely good asset for Intel, they put out 2k engineering degrees a year. I hope this spurs a nice tech ecosystem for Ohio--it's been dominated by insurance and medicine for a long time.

> I'd imagine most people would want a pretty significant pay raise to move to somewhere like Ohio Yeah. The region isn't known to attract or retain tech talent. > Depending on where they're moving from, they might take a pay cut.. Ohio is very cheap to live in The thing with Cost of Living is that the biggest expense is typically housing. And if you bought the house, it means the biggest expense is... building equit…

I think the region has been attracting talent in the remote shift. Columbus has tens of thousands of software developers. Certainly not on the same scale as the bay but we are here. Lots of insurance and finance. VC influx from former coast vcs at Drive Capital and the folks at Rev1 have been pumping cash and resources into the local startup scene. CoverMyMeds/Root/Olive were the recent unicorns.

It might not be the well known bay/NYC/Austin but it has a vibrant scene for the population.

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