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Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by axiolite »

coredog64 wrote: post #552
tracker1 wrote: post #380

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I think it's more about diversifying locations for labor pooling... Phoenix is growing and now going to have fabs for Intel, Samsung and TSMC. I think it's more about hedging or spreading out the labor pool a bit more and less competition. As for location, in terms of shipping, they're probably about on par to each other. Not sure how stable it is regarding weather conditions, or natural disaster risk in Ohio vs Ariz…

Not everyone wants to live in Arizona. Picking a location with natural greenery expands the labor pool.

> Picking a location with natural greenery expands the labor pool.

This is provably false. The US population is fleeing the areas with the most natural greenery, migrating south and west. The south western US is primarily dry desert.

"As of the 2010 Census, Nevada was the fastest-growing state in the United States, with an increase of 35.1% in the last ten years. Additionally, Arizona (24.6%), Utah (23.8%), Texas (20.6%), and Colorado (16.9%) were all in the top ten fastest-growing states as well" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwestern_United_States#Cit...

Greenery is nice. Warm weather is also nice. Lack of things like ice storms, fog, black ice, trees falling on power lines, etc., is nice, too.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by axiolite »

adamcstephens wrote: post #301
rxhernandez wrote: post #155

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I'm sure there's more great ones in California but I can count 14 off the top of my head; I think all of them are nearly within 300 miles of LA too. 1. Caltech 2. Stanford 3. Cal 4. UCLA 5. Harvey Mudd 6. USC 7. UCSD 8. UCD 9. UCSB 10. CPSLO 11. UCI 12. CPP 13. UCSC 14. UCR

The other difference, which parent didn’t mention, is the Ohio has plenty of water.

> Ohio has plenty of water

California has 840 miles of coast line. Absolutely no shortage of water.

Desalination and PV technology keep improving, too.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by QuercusMax »

ericmay wrote: post #583
QuercusMax wrote: post #417

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Sadly Ohio's state government doesn't want to invest in higher education. My father was in the physics department at Kent State University (my alma mater) and I remember him complaining year after year about how the state was cutting funding. Really a shame. Between this, Ohio's shameful anti-LGBTQ laws, and the truly awful racism, it's really like the state is trying to drive people away. I moved to CA 7 years ago a…

> Between this, Ohio's shameful anti-LGBTQ laws Which ones specifically? I’d like to learn more and this is something that I’ll pester my representative about. For Columbus specifically in day-to-day life I’m curious what effect these laws have. We have gay clubs and actually a reputation as a “gay mecca”. In Columbus we also have the doo-dah parade, a gigantic, corporate sponsored gay pride parade, and lots of drag…

Ohio passed a law to prevent trans folks from changing their legal gender; a federal court has struck this down, but I'm not sure where that stands.

They also have laws that allow medical providers to refuse treatment to LGBTQ.

This is just from a few moments on Google; there's a wiki article with more info: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Ohio

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Post by galangalalgol »

elihu wrote: post #558
galangalalgol wrote: post #535

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I agree it isn't simpler. I only assert that it could be if you ignored all those efficiency gains from regenerative braking and battery temp management. Things that aren't often in ev conversions. But you made me realize that is apples and oranges, because an ICE that gave up on efficiency could be an old vw beatle with aie cooling and a carburetor. I feel you on the seemingly endless stairway of complexity. I work…

Most conversions have regenerative braking nowdays. Most AC motor controllers support regen as a basic feature. A lot of the old series-wound DC motor conversions didn't have it because it was hard to do on that kind of motor (similar how it's hard to reverse; you have to flip the polarity of one set of leads but not the other, which requires a bunch of contactors or IGBTs or something). Where regen gets kind of comp…

What does the software industry look like for this stuff? I've got two decades of embedded c++ experience, some of which is safety critical. How much of automotive is offshored these days? Is it still mostly C and a bsp and a text editor, or is it gitlab and pipelines now?

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Post by justin66 »

ensan wrote: post #462
justin66 wrote: post #386

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> When it comes to proximity research institutions ...which has nothing to do with running a fab, if we're being honest about it.

It doesn't have anything to do running a fab per se, but obviously location is a factor in attracting talent.

I don't have a handle on how important this truly is (they build fabs in suburban Arizona, of all places) but if they're not interviewing on campus, it's a two hour drive from CMU and a two hour flight from MIT. For anyone used to the slow driving times in California, Columbus is basically close to everything east of the Mississippi.

I really do suspect they'll have some jobs for the ECE graduates from OSU, but I guess time will tell.

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Post by woobar »

mNovak wrote: post #415
mNovak wrote: post #255

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Fun fact, Ohio was supposedly high on the Soviet nuke target list, because of Wright Patterson AFB, which houses the Air Force Research Lab (and aliens). I have an old Soviet invasion map of central Ohio, marking all potential airfields etc.

A couple people asked so I snapped some photos: https://imgur.com/a/wlN5aAe Looks to be a 1:500,000 topo map of the Ohio/Kentucky/WV border. You can see Columbus and I think Dayton at the top. Google translate via camera is a real charm here. Apologies in advance for Imgur, but two other services I tried simply didn't work /sigh.

Why do you think this is an invasion map? It's just a map.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by justin66 »

vanattab wrote: post #593
justin66 wrote: post #425

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In fairness to the parent poster, in the event of nuclear war an Air Force base with two runways longer than two miles each isn't an obscure target, it's just a target.

It's not just two runways it's the headquarters of the USAF Matrials Command since 1961 I think. Which is the biggest airforce command (by budget). They are responsible for running most R&D labs of the Airforce and for procuring new weapon systems and airplanes. It certainly would have been a major target. Dayton in many ways is still the birth place of new trends in aviation.

Guess which is a more important target to the enemy in the event of an all-out war: the runways, hangars, and fuel facilities or the research and development offices. (I mean, it's sort of an academic question if a well-placed enemy warhead makes it through...)

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by erik_seaberg »

hardolaf wrote: post #230
micromacrofoot wrote: post #174

I wonder if big workforce investments like this in states like Ohio and Texas will eventually impact political leanings in the immediate area... will be interesting to see if anything's changed 10 years in

These are mostly blue-collar/striped-blue-and-white-collar jobs. So no, not really. Fabs are also giant ecological disasters. I wouldn't be surprised if Columbus was chosen over Cleveland because the different rules the Ohio EPA has based on localized pollution.

> Fabs are also giant ecological disasters.

Is that still true? I thought they cut a lot of corners in the pre-Superfund era, but are watched more closely now.

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Post by WillPostForFood »

dmead wrote: post #121
WillPostForFood wrote: post #119

Manufacturing Jobs Are Never Coming Back https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/manufacturing-jobs-are-...

they aren't making tube socks.

If you want tube socks manufactured in the US it can be done the same way. Not saying it is good economics, but if the government wants tube sock manufacturing jobs in the US it is trivial to make it happen. If you say "never" or "can't" your are lying, and you really mean you don't want it to happen.

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Post by Edman274 »

justin66 wrote: post #607
vanattab wrote: post #593

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It's not just two runways it's the headquarters of the USAF Matrials Command since 1961 I think. Which is the biggest airforce command (by budget). They are responsible for running most R&D labs of the Airforce and for procuring new weapon systems and airplanes. It certainly would have been a major target. Dayton in many ways is still the birth place of new trends in aviation.

Guess which is a more important target to the enemy in the event of an all-out war: the runways, hangars, and fuel facilities or the research and development offices. (I mean, it's sort of an academic question if a well-placed enemy warhead makes it through...)

In the imagined scenario of a 1980s MAD first-strike, it's wherever the nuclear missile silos are. There's a lot of farmland around Dayton. I would not rule out the possibility that there is at least one nuclear launch site near Wright Patterson AFB.
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