Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

Post by DangitBobby » Sat, Jan 22, 2022, 4:29 PM UTC

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>No one cares until it affects them. While many don't care until it affects them, that is not even close to universally true. I was surprised at the number of people who didn't care, and it seems to be about 50%, but characterizing everyone that way is incredibly unfair to all the people who worked tirelessly to try to convince people to get the vaccine.

By telling them the president has lost his patience like a grumpy pater familias scolding children. That’s paternalism right there. If the self righteous cared about peoples lives instead of pushing people with relatively lower risk to get a vaccine they would have sent those vaccines to the third world to vaccinate the vulnerable there. Instead the WHO complained in early 2021 that we gave our vulnerable a double do…

Post by rsfern » Sat, Jan 22, 2022, 4:34 PM UTC

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To some reasonable level, the vaccines do prevent transmission. However, no vaccine is perfect - just look at the flu vaccine - even if the strains picked for the vaccine for the year are right, some people will still get the flu. The vaccine helps to prepare your immune system to deal with the virus - in some cases that means it can fight it off entirely, or in other cases it will be able to fight it off quicker and…

The FDA didn't approve the vaccines under emergency use to lessen the symptoms, only to prevent transmission.

Post by jamps » Sat, Jan 22, 2022, 4:38 PM UTC

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That's correct. At some point we need to look at the real data of deaths. https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/ In Europe, there has NEVER been A PANDEMIC for people All care should have focused on the elderly (early treatment, access to doctors even when positive...). No restrictions (mask, mandatory vaccine, lockdowns..) makes sense for those aged under 45yo.

>In Europe, there has NEVER been A PANDEMIC for people What? This is completely, wildly,untrue. See for starters Spanish Flu (killed mostly those aged under 45), smallpox (disproportionately affecting children)

Post by floxy » Sat, Jan 22, 2022, 4:47 PM UTC

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Is Delta still dominant in the US? First time I am checking the US Covid stats in months, and it seems like both deaths and hospitalizations in the US are rising. The opposite is true for most of Europe, where omicron cases are rising exponentiallly, but deaths and hospitalizations are falling flat.

Omicron is dominant. Full vaccination is at about 65%, boosters are at about 25%, lower than much of Europe.

                                  Percent of US Population
    
                                  At least  Fully  
                                  one dose  Vaxed  Boosted
    Total                         75.4%     63.3%  39.5%
    Population ≥ 5 Years of Age   80.1%     67.3%  
    Population ≥ 12 Years of Age  85.3%     72.1%  
    Population ≥ 18 Years of Age  87.3%     73.8%  42.6%  
    Population ≥ 65 Years of Age  95%       88.2%  62.7%

Post by s1artibartfast » Sat, Jan 22, 2022, 5:09 PM UTC

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What failures? I’m pretty proud of our overall response as a nation, apart for the anti-mask loonies. Most of us did what was asked, and as a national policy we (mostly) followed the medical and scientific advice, with obvious compromises for economic, educational and social factors. And here we are now, having mostly gotten through it without massive loss of life, without overloading the hospitals (apart from unvacc…

Excuse me but there have been times last year where Ireland had the highest infection cases in Europe (shamefully). To be honest I wasn't very convinced that there was a ever a real lockdown here, just people using their cars less. Now it's back to normal almost.