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The ICUs are full. Millions have died. Millions more have long covid. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
Enough with this fear mongering bullshit please, what are you trying to achieve, is it fun to spread panic? Show a proper statistically significant excess mortality, or stop talking about people dying.
Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'
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Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'
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“US hospitalizations are at an all time high,” How do you know that? My question, really, is how do you know what you know and are not being misled? (A la WMD to use an easy, universally understood, example?) “2000 people are still dying every day,” No, they’re not. According to the CDC (why do I trust them?) its currently 500/day [1]. It hasn't been > 2000 since September in the midst of the Delta spike. But even be…
> [2] ironically, a person who doesn't understand that doesn't have much to live for. What's the point of concluding with such a cynical and subjective-at-best remark?
What is worth living for that isnt also worth dying for?
Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'
#283At this point, you’re either vaccinated, have been sick or are dead, so all good. With Omicron beating out Delta and not causing as many hospitalizations - sure, why not.
I'm none of the three, amazingly.
Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'
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So where did OP get a 2000/day number?
It's widely reported in reputable media sources. It's a bit rich to go on about being misled by mysterious forces and trusting the CDC and so on and then "do your own research" and fail to understand the basic reporting methodology of the source you land on.
Pray, do share. Polls show the (vast) majority of Americans want to know the names of reputable news organizations.
A news org that peddled WMD or Russiagate (lets be bi-partisan) doesnt count
Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'
#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's also many times less pathogenic than Delta This is a misleading way to say your risk of hospitalization is about half of what it was with Delta. Vaccination is making it safer to get closer back to normal — which is why Ireland can consider it with their much higher rate of over 92% versus the U.S. 63% — but we still need to be thinking about masks and improved ventilation when it’s spreading, especially since…
> which is why Ireland can consider it with their much higher rate of over 92% versus the U.S. 63% Source? I think you are mis aggregating data. 92% [1] of Ireland Adult population has received it-least 1 dose vs 85% [2] of the US Adult population has received it-least 1 dose. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58522792 [2] https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/12/who-are-the-a...
Here's the one I used, which shows full vaccination on 91.7% and partial at 93%:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-vaccine-trac...
Others have it around 80% so that's probably in error:
https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/vaccinat... https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=IRL https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-m...
Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'
#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why on earth would you vaccinate kids? It’s not going to do anything to the spread of the virus, as the grand parent post mentioned it is extremely infectious and neither masks or the vaccines have been shown to make anything else than a dent in the levels of infections. They aren’t at risk of the virus either. The energy would be better spent convincing the few >60yo who haven’t been vaccinated to get the shot. But…
1. Vaccination is not a hardship. 2. Reducing R flattens the curve, and pushing it below 1.0 ends the pandemic. > vaccines have been shown to make anything else than a dent in the levels of infections Oh? https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/2022011... This applies to all ages, but if I had linked to an ICU with adults I'm sure you would have blamed the pattern on old people. Vaccines make a big diffe…
I have two children and they are not getting any COVID vaccine unless a second generation one that is not experimental is developed. I don't want any shot developed during the Trump administration in a rushed federal program injected into my kids and you shouldn't either. They've already both caught the virus and had no symptoms whatsoever. We wouldn't have even known they had it if not for the fact that I had lost my sense of smell and got tested.
Children are at lower risk from COVID-19 than they are from influenza. That is the data and it might not agree with your priors but it doesn't change the fact that that is the data.
It should be noted that the second generation of the COVID vaccine is going to look nothing like the first. They are likely not going to use the same components of the virus that they did with the first generation because the spike protein payload has unintended consequences in some human beings. I acknowledge that this subgroup of human beings is a small minority but it happened to include my mother-in-law who is now dead after suffering cardiac arrest 4 hours after her second shot.
In case you think I am a nutty anti-vaxxer I assure you I am not. I firmly believe that my father is alive today because of the vaccine. He was in a high-risk category and I just don't believe he would have survived COVID infection if he had caught it. It's a great idea for people like him and people in his age group. Hell, it was a good idea for my mother-in-law, but unintended consequences are going to happen when you have a practically untested vaccine administered to a massive population. Both of them are at high risk from the virus. My children are simply not. People seem to be unwilling to admit that a vaccine developed for a rapidly evolving virus in 2020 isn't very effective in 2022. I don't know why this cognitive dissonance is so strong, but it's just the fact. It prevents hospitalization but not spread. That's a good thing, but it's a private health effect, not a public one.
Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'
#287At this point, you’re either vaccinated, have been sick or are dead, so all good. With Omicron beating out Delta and not causing as many hospitalizations - sure, why not.
Youngest kids aren’t eligible for vaccinations yet, are they? Sure they are in a lower risk group but if you have a 3 year old you likely don’t want all restrictions lifted quite yet.
Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'
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Looking at those graphs, it does look like it's getting there for 15-44 years too, no?
Yes, we can see that something is different in the last months of 2021. So either Omicron, as we now that it affects younger people as well. Or another cause... Either way, it is close to the 2018 high. It would be bold to qualify that as a pandemic!
Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'
#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I am only moving the goalpost back to its initial position. Vaccine mandates are draconian - at least when the data is so weak as for SARS-CoV-2. No, you're conflating two separate things to try to make a weak case appear stronger. Part of living in a society is accepting restrictions on your personal choices which impact those around you. Vaccination mandates are one of the big public health success stories since…
> No, you're conflating two separate things to try to make a weak case appear stronger. Like using Polio for making the case for mandatory SARS-CoV-2 vaccines look stronger?
Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'
#290The headline doesn't capture the remaining restrictions (although the article does). Masks are still required in shops, taxis, buses, trains. It's unclear for takeaway restaurants and chippers. All staff in those places will still need to wear masks. I assume bar and restaurant staff will also need to wear masks. So really, the 8pm curfew on hospitality has been lifted but that was always silly in the first place. Wh…
They’ve lifted the vax cert requirements for going out, limits on size of gatherings, and most mask requirements are due to go in a couple of weeks.