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Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by ensan »

N1H1L wrote: post #138
gaoshan wrote: post #122

This is actually a brilliant location for them. One of those places that has much more going for it than people not from the region would realize. International airport, large rail depot, extremely low cost of living and a city/region that has more good restaurants and activities than might be expected. Ohio State University is in the city and is a huge school that is rapidly growing in academic standing. Road transi…

The midwest has some of the greatest engineering schools in the nation. I have been beating this drum hoarse for a few years now - but it's true. Specifically, members of the Big 10 conference are probably the best engineering schools conference in the world. Within 300 miles from Columbus (where you have Ohio State - Big10), you have Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, UIUC, Indiana, Purdue from the Big 10 along w…

“members of the Big 10 conference are probably the best engineering schools conference in the world.”

1- Big 10 is not an “engineering school conference”.

2- In what world is Pitt a prominent engineering school? You have no idea what you’re talking about.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by coredog64 »

tracker1 wrote: post #380
gaoshan wrote: post #122

This is actually a brilliant location for them. One of those places that has much more going for it than people not from the region would realize. International airport, large rail depot, extremely low cost of living and a city/region that has more good restaurants and activities than might be expected. Ohio State University is in the city and is a huge school that is rapidly growing in academic standing. Road transi…

I think it's more about diversifying locations for labor pooling... Phoenix is growing and now going to have fabs for Intel, Samsung and TSMC. I think it's more about hedging or spreading out the labor pool a bit more and less competition. As for location, in terms of shipping, they're probably about on par to each other. Not sure how stable it is regarding weather conditions, or natural disaster risk in Ohio vs Ariz…

Not everyone wants to live in Arizona. Picking a location with natural greenery expands the labor pool.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by wolverine876 »

someguydave wrote: post #518
pm90 wrote: post #494

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The incredible University systems in the US are an amazing asset… failure to recognize their value by craven businessmen turned Republican politicians that only understand money is going to be one of the biggest tragedies to befall America.

Republicans would probably be happy to support universities if they were no longer under the control of people who wish them ill.

> under the control of people who wish them ill

A bunch of victimhood to excuse their bad actions (and change the subject). So they are sacrificing assets and essential services to the American people for political revenge? They won't provide public goods to Democrats?

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by wolverine876 »

outside1234 wrote: post #298
rxhernandez wrote: post #155

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I'm sure there's more great ones in California but I can count 14 off the top of my head; I think all of them are nearly within 300 miles of LA too. 1. Caltech 2. Stanford 3. Cal 4. UCLA 5. Harvey Mudd 6. USC 7. UCSD 8. UCD 9. UCSB 10. CPSLO 11. UCI 12. CPP 13. UCSC 14. UCR

Caltech, Stanford, Cal, and Harvey Mudd are on the same tier with Purdue, Michigan, Illinois, CM. The other ones are good schools, but in a distinctly second tier to that group.

Caltech, Standford, and Berkeley are well ahead of the Midwestern schools.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by coredog64 »

SemAntics0 wrote: post #97
flybrand wrote: post #27

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> why not all AZ? Game theory between US states playing to get the most gov’t assistance? Finite pool of talent? Our plants are in rural areas and everyone is struggling to hire, from auto to bakeries.

The Great Lakes region has a surprising concentration of advanced manufacturing skillsets. With large manufacturing facilities with extremely stringent quality standards like a bleeding edge chip fab there's going to be a enormous need for people with traditional manufacturing-specific support skillsets that are simply not available in large quantities anywhere else in the US. If the current administration's support…

They’re going to fab there and then ship the output to Malaysia, Costa Rica, or the Philippines for package and test. Being close to Detroit doesn’t count for much.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by rxhernandez »

ensan wrote: post #531
rxhernandez wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure there's more great ones in California but I can count 14 off the top of my head; I think all of them are nearly within 300 miles of LA too. 1. Caltech 2. Stanford 3. Cal 4. UCLA 5. Harvey Mudd 6. USC 7. UCSD 8. UCD 9. UCSB 10. CPSLO 11. UCI 12. CPP 13. UCSC 14. UCR

You forgot Berkeley.

Cal == Berkeley

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by kingkawn »

ericmay wrote: post #403

Really disappointed in many of the negative and insecure comments coming from members of this community saying “Ohio sucks” or “Ohio State University sucks because it’s not Stanford” or “how many startups does Ohio have”. It really reflects poorly on those making these comments and I can’t help but think seeing a state not on the east or west coast being selected is causing fear and uncertainty in the lives of those…

apparently getting under people from ohio's skin is really easy

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by elihu »

galangalalgol wrote: post #535
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #481

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The braking is way way more complex because of regenerative. That isn't a factor with ICE. Trust me - it's not simpler. I know you think we just apply power to the motor and go, but that is not the case. There are facets of "soft start" and it ties in to traction control, there are efficiency processes, etc. Instead of map tables for rpm and injection, you have battery heating and cooling targets with current sensed…

I agree it isn't simpler. I only assert that it could be if you ignored all those efficiency gains from regenerative braking and battery temp management. Things that aren't often in ev conversions. But you made me realize that is apples and oranges, because an ICE that gave up on efficiency could be an old vw beatle with aie cooling and a carburetor. I feel you on the seemingly endless stairway of complexity. I work…

Most conversions have regenerative braking nowdays. Most AC motor controllers support regen as a basic feature. A lot of the old series-wound DC motor conversions didn't have it because it was hard to do on that kind of motor (similar how it's hard to reverse; you have to flip the polarity of one set of leads but not the other, which requires a bunch of contactors or IGBTs or something).

Where regen gets kind of complicated is that you generally need to turn regen off when someone slams on the brakes. Unless the traction control / antilock braking system knows how regen figures into its calculations and can apply the proper braking force to each wheel taking it into account. I don't know what OEM EVs typically do in that situation, but for conversions you usually just have a brake switch so that regen can be automatically disabled when you're actually braking.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by jerrybender »

today20201014 wrote: post #495
outside1234 wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Caltech, Stanford, Cal, and Harvey Mudd are on the same tier with Purdue, Michigan, Illinois, CM. The other ones are good schools, but in a distinctly second tier to that group.

Harvey Mudd is an undergraduate-only college. All the others are R1 institutions.

The two Cal Polys are not R1 institutions, they do not offer PhDs.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by stjohnswarts »

This is great news. Letting China/Taiwan be the one stop shop for everything is going to be a big mistake in the next decade or two, it also reflects badly on the USA that we are completely dependent on a foreign power as much as we are. The current market has show that it won't price in externalities such as future wars (and cold wars) and only government pushes here and there will help it along. Intel is seeing the potential for that I believe, given the shortages and such. They certainly have the expertise to make these other types of chips that the US market has all but given up on. I think the big thing is we need to at least have the equivalent capability to what we are getting from Taiwan because it has become clear that China is not going to allow them to be independent for much longer, particularly under Xi.
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