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Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Indeed how? If they really mean SF, then write that. Bay Area is much greater and much more than SF. San Jose alone is larger in area and people than SF and Bay Area is much much more than San Jose. I'm trying to spread awareness to people not from here that the two things aren't the same at all. It's bad enough that media convulsively regurgitate the same tired fallacy repeatedly.

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Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Rent in Columbus appears to be roughly comparable to Tokyo: https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?cou...

Those numbers are incredible. One thing to keep in mind, though, is that a lot of what we're talking about when we say "Columbus" is suburbs. And the plant Intel is building is even in a different county.

That's fair, and Japanese apartments also tend to be smaller, for sure.

Nevertheless, Tokyo is a metro of 40 million people, with national importance that's equivalent to slamming NYC, LA, and SF together into one region. That its rent has managed to stay this low is a result of zoning that's practically the opposite of the US: density by default, rather than density as exception.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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This is a very childish rant. You could swap Ohio, with Missouri, Indiana, Iowa... All country have states/provinces that are more developed than others. You liking your home state (or not) doesn't make it better. You can say whatever you want, good luck getting people to move to Ohio.

People used to say that about Idaho, now it’s half Californians. Maine was a backwater now it’s got some of the biggest population growth metros in the country. Florida used to be swamps now it’s growing like crazy. Things change, man. In fact the numbers show people are leaving California.

>Florida used to be swamps now it’s growing like crazy.

Florida native. Every person on the Internet loves to poo-poo Florida.

1000 people move to Florida a day. Every. Day.

Most of my native-born friends hate it.

Don't move to Florida, we're begging you.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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I'll eat a sock if they bother with solar in Ohio. I guess it's better than nothing but large parts of Ohio just don't get that much sun. Wind is much more likely.

Germany has TONS of solar and I would bet Ohio gets more sun

Well objectively yes Ohio gets more sun per m^2, but neither Germany nor Ohio are particularly good places to build solar[0]. They would be much better try something else like Nuclear or wind.

[0]: https://globalsolaratlas.info/map?c=20.797201,-46.494141,3&s...

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Here's a few just with a quick glance: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30029310 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30027858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30026358 Maybe you don't interpret these as negative. That's ok. Idk. Seem negative to me without really adding any value and that's not counting just general, unwarranted cynicism: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30029732 https://news.ycombinator…

I apologize for being so direct, but you seem really sensitive about this topic. The tweet you linked to in your edit was actually questioning Intel's faltering business model, not Ohio. Of the comments you linked, most are banal or negative about a specific area. Columbus, for instance, really doesn't seem like a particularly compelling place to most people who don't already live in Columbus. That doesn't seem parti…

I am in Bay Area and frankly we need to criticize this place more. If you want to read about it, San Fransicko is a great book: https://www.amazon.com/San-Fransicko-Progressives-Ruin-Citie...

I feel like doubling down on the criticism of the place I live (Oakland) just so that we don't set an example of how to manage cities.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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I'm somewhat concerned for Taiwan though... At least having a headstart on chip production gives them some cover from those who would be more likely to step in as China makes strides towards potential invasion. Could make HK look like a beach party.

The chip progress by TSMC was made possible by ASML from The Netherlands that supplied them with ultraviolet lithography machines. Those are real example of techno magic with ASML solving many really hard issues much sooner then was expected. Surely TSMC advanced the process itself, but Samsung and Intel are not that far behind. But all of 3 use ASML technology and it is not allowed to be exported to China or Russia…

People don't know this but ASML litho machines are also made in USA - at the Wilson factory in Connecticut: https://www.asml.com/en/careers/working-at-asml/united-state...

Here is a tour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El8-Kqv6vLE

ASML also has a huge R&D campus in San Diego doing cutting edge lithography research. I applied for a job there a couple of years ago.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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People used to say that about Idaho, now it’s half Californians. Maine was a backwater now it’s got some of the biggest population growth metros in the country. Florida used to be swamps now it’s growing like crazy. Things change, man. In fact the numbers show people are leaving California.

>Florida used to be swamps now it’s growing like crazy. Florida native. Every person on the Internet loves to poo-poo Florida. 1000 people move to Florida a day. Every. Day. Most of my native-born friends hate it. Don't move to Florida, we're begging you.

Is 1000 people a day a lot more than other places? It sounds like a lot, but every place has lots of people moving to (and away from) every day.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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the only thing an ev actually needs chips for is charge controllers which can be old fab tech, and motor controllers which aren't normal silicon or tiny feature size. Tesla is using silicon carbide, and gallium arsenide will probably be next. The Bollinger takes this route of minimalism. Ironically, an EV has less reliance on processing than a modern ICE vehicle.

I think it's gallium nitride (GaN), not gallium arsenide (GaAs).

you are absolutely right. I couldn't figure out why GAN didn't make sense so I spelled it out and got the wrong one. It is amazing how much smaller and cooler GaN made usbc power supplies and rf power amps. I'm waiting on lunchbox welders based on it. It is so insanely efficient.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Really disappointed in many of the negative and insecure comments coming from members of this community saying “Ohio sucks” or “Ohio State University sucks because it’s not Stanford” or “how many startups does Ohio have”. It really reflects poorly on those making these comments and I can’t help but think seeing a state not on the east or west coast being selected is causing fear and uncertainty in the lives of those…

This is awesome.
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