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Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by thehappypm »

masterof0 wrote: post #467
ericmay wrote: post #403

Really disappointed in many of the negative and insecure comments coming from members of this community saying “Ohio sucks” or “Ohio State University sucks because it’s not Stanford” or “how many startups does Ohio have”. It really reflects poorly on those making these comments and I can’t help but think seeing a state not on the east or west coast being selected is causing fear and uncertainty in the lives of those…

This is a very childish rant. You could swap Ohio, with Missouri, Indiana, Iowa... All country have states/provinces that are more developed than others. You liking your home state (or not) doesn't make it better. You can say whatever you want, good luck getting people to move to Ohio.

People used to say that about Idaho, now it’s half Californians. Maine was a backwater now it’s got some of the biggest population growth metros in the country. Florida used to be swamps now it’s growing like crazy. Things change, man. In fact the numbers show people are leaving California.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by thehappypm »

mNovak wrote: post #431
shroompasta wrote: post #420

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I may be wrong, but I'm assuming one of the cardinal factors in the location came down to the cheapest labor they could find. Competing with labor, in terms of willingness to work for a low wage, against Asia is next to impossible for these fabs.

Everyone is claiming this a race to the bottom on labor, but I'm not sure about that. Sure it's probably cheap compared to SV, but there are cheaper places too. The state is claiming the average salary for the fab workers is going to be $135k. Maybe I'm missing something, but that's a very comfortable life in this part of the country.

I wouldn’t call it a race to the bottom. It’s more about a large workforce that’s educated and has some skills and a culture for making things, and also doesn’t need $300k to buy a house.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by thehappypm »

pstuart wrote: post #466
ericmay wrote: post #403

Really disappointed in many of the negative and insecure comments coming from members of this community saying “Ohio sucks” or “Ohio State University sucks because it’s not Stanford” or “how many startups does Ohio have”. It really reflects poorly on those making these comments and I can’t help but think seeing a state not on the east or west coast being selected is causing fear and uncertainty in the lives of those…

"west coast liberal" here -- I'm thrilled to hear about this project. While I'm not a fan of the political climate of Ohio I want to see the midwest (and rest or the country) thrive. It's about the United States -- we're all on the same team.

Funny, the political climate of Ohio is probably a reason they chose it. Being business-friendly is a stated goal of the Ohio GOP.

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Post by FullyFunctional »

thehappypm wrote: post #508
FullyFunctional wrote: post #498

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This is getting old. I've lived in the Bay Area for 20+ years and guess what, the Bay Area != San Francisco (I personally go to SF less than once every two years).

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Indeed how? If they really mean SF, then write that. Bay Area is much greater and much more than SF. San Jose alone is larger in area and people than SF and Bay Area is much much more than San Jose.

I'm trying to spread awareness to people not from here that the two things aren't the same at all. It's bad enough that media convulsively regurgitate the same tired fallacy repeatedly.

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Post by BostonEnginerd »

thehappypm wrote: post #509
BostonEnginerd wrote: post #434

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The Midwest makes some sense for building fabs. The two largest inputs are power and water - and the midwest has plenty of both. There's a small but thriving fab community in Minneapolis. Hilariously, there isn't much in the way of fabs left in Silicon Valley. Those aren't suitable for any production. The last high volume fab to close was the Linear Technologies fab out in Milpitas. There's a Raytheon fab in Lompoc C…

Where does the power come from? Hydro on Great Lakes? Wind? Natural gas from fracking?

Largely gas and coal powered, which isn't ideal. It is cheap though.

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Post by DevKoala »

defaultname wrote: post #474
ericmay wrote: post #432

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Here's a few just with a quick glance: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30029310 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30027858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30026358 Maybe you don't interpret these as negative. That's ok. Idk. Seem negative to me without really adding any value and that's not counting just general, unwarranted cynicism: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30029732 https://news.ycombinator…

I apologize for being so direct, but you seem really sensitive about this topic. The tweet you linked to in your edit was actually questioning Intel's faltering business model, not Ohio. Of the comments you linked, most are banal or negative about a specific area. Columbus, for instance, really doesn't seem like a particularly compelling place to most people who don't already live in Columbus. That doesn't seem parti…

I empathize with OP. I live in the Bay Area and most people here are convinced that every other place is a slum, particularly the “flyover states”. The negativity drives people to become sensitive to the topic.

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Post by someguydave »

pm90 wrote: post #494
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Sadly Ohio's state government doesn't want to invest in higher education. My father was in the physics department at Kent State University (my alma mater) and I remember him complaining year after year about how the state was cutting funding. Really a shame. Between this, Ohio's shameful anti-LGBTQ laws, and the truly awful racism, it's really like the state is trying to drive people away. I moved to CA 7 years ago a…

The incredible University systems in the US are an amazing asset… failure to recognize their value by craven businessmen turned Republican politicians that only understand money is going to be one of the biggest tragedies to befall America.

Republicans would probably be happy to support universities if they were no longer under the control of people who wish them ill.

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Post by xvilka »

bshipp wrote: post #489
defaultname wrote: post #482

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Intel has some 15 or so fabs already in the US (most upgraded multiple times), and is constructing two giant new ones in Arizona. The continental US has a good amount of domestic production capacity. The "problem" is that TSMC and Samsung got a node advantage on Intel, drawing a lot of the performance part manufacturing (including Intel contract work). Will this Ohio plant be competitive on the edge? I haven't seen i…

Thank you so much for the clarification as this is definitely not my area of expertise. It's heartening to hear that, subsidies aside, the US is managing to maintain significant capacity for domestic production, and it's increasing. Such investment runs quite counter to the general trends I've witnessed in other manufacturing industries that continue to shrink every year.

To be honest, some shrinking manufacturing doesn't always mean it's bad. It could be, but not always. Sometimes it means increasing the efficiency or disappearing products that aren't in the demand of the society.
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