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Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by asdff »

MrDunham wrote: post #110
m3kw9 wrote: post #75

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Probably trucking it for 1 day isn't a big deal

Having moved to Columbus a couple years ago everyone loved to say that over 60% of the US population is within a one day drive of Columbus. For the Bay Area readers the distance from Cleveland to Columbus is roughly the same as San Francisco to Sacramento

It's hard to understate just how driveable this side of the country is from Ohio. In about 7 hours one direction you are in Chicago. 7 hours another direction you are in Toronto. 7 hours another direction you are in NYC, or DC, or Boston. Stretch it to 15 hours or so and you can drive all the way to New Orleans, or most of Florida in that time, and anywhere in between. Anywhere east of the Mississippi really is seemingly doable for a road trip in about a days drive, especially if you are driving in shifts. You can get flights pretty fast as well, but the issue is the ohio airports have limited direct connections; its frequent to fly to ohare or charlotte first. It's not like LAX where you can score a direct flight to half the western US from southwest for $59.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by dayofthedaleks »

echelon wrote: post #304
mNovak wrote: post #255

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Fun fact, Ohio was supposedly high on the Soviet nuke target list, because of Wright Patterson AFB, which houses the Air Force Research Lab (and aliens). I have an old Soviet invasion map of central Ohio, marking all potential airfields etc.

> I have an old Soviet invasion map Can you please post this? That sounds so interesting.

https://www.sovietmaps.com/

Also I submitted that link as a fresh thread [1], because this admittedly fun rabbit hole has little to do with Intel and Columbus' sprawl.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30030346

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by reducesuffering »

beambot wrote: post #56
bushbaba wrote: post #39

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Foxconn is hard, repetitive manual labor. chip fab isn’t nearly as bad of work. Americans don’t want crappy jobs which is why foxcon had issues.

"TSMC’s Arizona Culture Clash" - https://www.eetimes.com/tsmcs-arizona-culture-clash/ > Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. (TSMC) faces challenges managing employees at its new fab in Arizona who are unaccustomed to the long work hours and management culture that in Taiwan have helped make the company the world’s largest chip foundry.

Similarly, there's a Netflix movie by Obama's production company called American Factory that dealt with the culture clash of a Chinese glass factory in America: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/american_factory

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by decremental »

asdff wrote: post #324
mrfusion wrote: post #237

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Low geopolitical risk is probably one of the best factors.

Low Geopolitical risk but high risk to personal liberties, especially if you are a woman. Look at Ohio and its slow decline from purple into red state. Gerrymandered to hell and back too to prevent this from changing in the foreseeable future, and a state democratic party that is powerless against the state republicans who have secured tenures for life thanks to their inventive mapmaking processes. Companies move to…

Name exactly one personal liberty afforded to women in California that is not afforded to women in Ohio.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by taylortrusty »

nebula8804 wrote: post #303
gaoshan wrote: post #122

This is actually a brilliant location for them. One of those places that has much more going for it than people not from the region would realize. International airport, large rail depot, extremely low cost of living and a city/region that has more good restaurants and activities than might be expected. Ohio State University is in the city and is a huge school that is rapidly growing in academic standing. Road transi…

A smaller but still important metric....the possibility of turning it permanently blue? (one can hope)

I suspect part of the appeal is it's not permanently blue.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by mmmBacon »

N1H1L wrote: post #138
gaoshan wrote: post #122

This is actually a brilliant location for them. One of those places that has much more going for it than people not from the region would realize. International airport, large rail depot, extremely low cost of living and a city/region that has more good restaurants and activities than might be expected. Ohio State University is in the city and is a huge school that is rapidly growing in academic standing. Road transi…

The midwest has some of the greatest engineering schools in the nation. I have been beating this drum hoarse for a few years now - but it's true. Specifically, members of the Big 10 conference are probably the best engineering schools conference in the world. Within 300 miles from Columbus (where you have Ohio State - Big10), you have Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, UIUC, Indiana, Purdue from the Big 10 along w…

The problem is not the schools in the Midwest but that many don’t want to live in the Midwest. I am married into a family from Illinois but they have all left or are leaving because they are tired of the weather. I also went to grad school in Illinois and never considered staying after I finished. I did actually like it but wasn’t a place I wanted to stay forever.

University of Illinois at Urbana Champagne was the pre-eminent school for Computer Science. It’s still a fantastic school but most don’t seem to want to live in a cornfield.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by eeeeeeehio »

ensan wrote: post #58

When it comes to proximity research institutions, the choice of location is strange to me. Somewhere in the northern Indiana/Illinois/Michigan (i.e. "Greater Michiana") would have made a lot more sense. That way, you would be close to, UIUC, Northwestern, UChicago, UMichigan, Purdue, Notre Dame, UIndiana, Argonne National Lab, etc.

They needed to be close to a large city center. Chicago is too expensive -- so the option you are proposing is something like Indianapolis?

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Post by Kon-Peki »

Scoundreller wrote: post #235
kesselvon wrote: post #137

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The idea that the Great Lakes are going to be tapped to solve water problems outside the watershed is fall flat when they realize those Great Lakes states aren't going to sell off access like that. I remember some moonshot proposal to pipe the water to the Southwest, which is wild.

There might be redirecting (or excessive drawing) of tributaries though.

It's surprising, actually, how small the Great Lakes watershed is, compared to the surface area of the lakes. You really aren't going to get much of anything from tributaries; if you want some of the water you draw it from the lakes.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by asdff »

daemoens wrote: post #216
MrDunham wrote: post #110

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Having moved to Columbus a couple years ago everyone loved to say that over 60% of the US population is within a one day drive of Columbus. For the Bay Area readers the distance from Cleveland to Columbus is roughly the same as San Francisco to Sacramento

Much less congestion as well. I drive between them weekly and rarely see traffic anywhere close to California. It's a pretty comfortable 2 hour drive.

Highways do back up in Cleveland and Columbus in the cities during rush hour though, as well as when there is any construction or accidents or inclimate weather.

One thing I noticed is that the freeways in, say, Cleveland, are all 5 lanes wide or so in each direction, serving a population of 400k in the city and 1.2m in the county. You go to LA and what do you see? The same size freeways as Cleveland, 5 lanes wide or so, only its serving a city of 4 million and a county of 15 million. It's like, of course there is no congestion in Cleveland and tons of congestion in LA, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see an issue with capacity. There's literally an order of magnitude more people using the same capacity of infrastructure.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by dralley »

vasili111 wrote: post #71
pradn wrote: post #54

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All this sounds irrelevant when an ASML machine costs $100 million a pop.

> ASML machine costs It seems that cost maybe around $300 million each: https://whbl.com/2022/01/19/intel-orders-asml-machine-still-...

Those are the new high-NA EUV machines. The current gen ones are more in the range of 150 million.
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